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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Nov 1 16:38 PST 1993
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 15:13:13 PST
From: kahului!email@hidden (Douglas J Whisler)
Subject: Re: Talk Hockey
>
> >Who never mucks it up in the corners in the offensive end?
>
> Whitney. Craigwell at times, but he's better.
Funny, then, chuq - then someone who looks alot like you is sitting
in your seat the last 2 games or so. Whitney single handedly forced
turnovers in the Oiler zone in the 1st period. (But then, I sat in
your seat once, and you can't see along the near boards, can you?)
And he was certainly in there digging last night. (vs Wash)
>
> Who never "drives to the net"?
>
> Rathje. Zmolek.
Defensemen aren't supposed to.
- DW
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Nov 1 16:46 PST 1993
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 16:45:13 PST
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Talk Hockey
>Whitney single handedly forced
>turnovers in the Oiler zone in the 1st period.
>And he was certainly in there digging last night. (vs Wash)
Point taken. He's doing it some times. Other times he's not. But I'll
withdraw the objection... Now, to get him to play that way ALL the time.
(of course, some of the time is better than none of the time)
>> Who never "drives to the net"?
>> Rathje. Zmolek.
>Defensemen aren't supposed to.
Actually, a good offensive defenseman IS supposed to. Which is at least
partially why we won last night, since Tommy was crashing when the rebound
squeaked out...
But they're not supposed to do it irresponsibly. Rathje and Zmolek are both
primarily defensive defensemen, so yes, THEY aren't supposed to. But it
was a loaded question with a trick answer. They aren't, which is correct.
Hey, I could have said "irbe" and still been correct, but it wouldn't have
confused the issue nearly as much...
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Nov 1 17:34 PST 1993
From: "Jeffrey T. Johnson"
Subject: Re: Fwd: The Chomp History
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 17:32:36 PST
> Actually, "The Chomp" has been going on long before the San Jose Sharks came
> into existence. I don't know if anyone else on this list has ever been to a
> Tarkanian-era UNLV basketball game at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas,
> but it was a pretty amazing sight! When Jerry Tarkanian was the coach, they
> called the place "Tark's Shark Tank". They had a shark mascot, and spotlights
> that shined shark-shaped beams of light up into the rafters (swimming around).
> At random times, the UNLV marching band would play the theme from Jaws, and
> every one of the 18,000+ people in the stands would do the chomp in unison.
> It was extremely powerful.
>
> Perhaps it was reinvented from scratch by Sharks fans, but they certainly
> weren't the first.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
The University of Florida Gators also have The Chomp, except theirs is a gator
chomp which has the arms straight like < vs the shark chomp which has the arms
bent like C (aren't ANSI graphics wonderful :-)
I'd guess most Pro crowd-participation thingies have their roots in college --
the Atlanta Braves fans stole The Chop and the war chant from the Florida
State Seminoles.
/jeff
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Nov 1 17:40 PST 1993
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 17:38:34 -0800
From: email@hidden (Kevin McCallum)
Subject: Re: Tickets for sale: This coming weekend
************************** Original Message *************************
>From: Richard Stueven
>Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 15:30:24 -0800
>To: email@hidden
>Subject: Re: Tickets for sale: This coming weekend
>
>So is anyone actually going to the Dallas, NJ, and Toronto games, or
>are all 16190 tickets on the secondhand market...?
Hey now, here's at least one person still going.....
...Doug (hockey-god) Gilmour is a must-see (especially
after watching him personally dominate all of last
season's playoffs)!
=Kev.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Nov 1 18:09 PST 1993
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 20:01:28 -600 (CST)
From: MINDY M WALKER
Subject: Re: Emmons and Sullivan to Kansas City
Mike Sullivan began the 91-92 season with KC.
On Mon, 1 Nov 1993, Ed Rush wrote:
> I don't think Sullivan has ever been to KC, has he?
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Nov 1 18:17 PST 1993
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 20:06:48 -600 (CST)
From: MINDY M WALKER
Subject: Re: Talk Hockey
Hey, I just had a question for you all:
What do you think of Rathje? We here in KC can't stand the guy and just
about protested when he was sent to us...
What do SJ fans think of him?
On Mon, 1 Nov 1993, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> >> Rathje. Zmolek.
>
> But they're not supposed to do it irresponsibly. Rathje and Zmolek are both
> primarily defensive defensemen, so yes, THEY aren't supposed to.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Nov 1 18:25 PST 1993
Date: 1 Nov 1993 18:19:47 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: Purdy's 10/27 Column, Part
Subject: Time:6:19 PM
OFFICE MEMO Purdy's 10/27 Column, Part 1 Date:11/1/93
Here's Mark Purdy's caustic column from the Wednesday, October 27th, issue of
the San Jose Mercury News. I'm normally not one for typing in articles
verbatim, but I think it's important to see the contrast between this article,
which was in the morning Peninsula edition of the newspaper, and the column
that was in the morning San Jose edition and the afternoon edition. (I'll be
typing in that article momentarily.)
It's still unclear why different columns appeared in the different editions.
Other than the harsher Purdy column and a small headshot of Irbe in the article
describing the game, the sports section in the morning Peninsula edition
appeared to be identical to the San Jose edition.
This article is, of course, copyrighted by the San Jose Mercury News, 1993.
Although I still prefer The Hockey News for hockey coverage, the Mercury News
is ever so slowly coming around, modulo Purdy's columns. For timely coverage,
the daily newspaper still beats the weekly -- and 1-2 weeks behind -- THN.
Dave Comstock
120/7/7-10
SHARKS' THIRD-YEAR DILEMMA: TALENT IS BETTER, TEAM IS NOT
What if they gave a new arena party and no hockey team came? That is the
question on San Jose's lips these days, as the Sharks continue their relentless
march toward....what?
Tuesday night, it was actually some happy news, a 3-1 victory over the Edmonton
Oilers. But even that happiness had an asterisk. The Sharks were the last NHL
team to win a game this season -- even though four other expansion franchises
are younger. So let's pause briefly for some giddy applause and then be blunt.
One win every 10 games is not what our fair city was promised. To date, in
arena math, that amounts to $156 million per victory.
The issue remains. Is this really the hockey team San Jose wants? Is it even
a true team, or is it still 27 independent contractors? In terms of individual
talent, the Sharks are better than last season. But right now, two plus two is
seldom equaling four. On occasion, it's not even equaling three.
"Chemistry," said Dean Lombardi, the Sharks director of hockey operations.
"That's what we're still looking for."
Considering that he and chief scout Chuck Grillo were largely responsible for
assembling the roster -- and the chemistry -- the above statement amounts to a
self-inflicted wound. But at least give credit to Lombardi for honesty.
"If you are going to get better, you've got to learn from your mistakes,"
Lombardi said the other day.
And what were those mistakes? Let's go over them, in order of importance:
1. Allowing veteran center Kelly Kisio to leave town. If we're talking
chemistry, this was a thermonuclear error. Kisio was definitely the clubhouse
leader, faceoff king, and all-around gamer. The Sharks needed him to return
this season.
Instead, he signed a free-agent contract with the Calgary Flames because he
wanted to play near his Alberta home. Kisio had informally promised to sign a
Shark contract after the expansion draft so that Lombardi could protect more
young players from being swiped. Kisio subsequently turned down a higher
Sharks offer to join Calgary.
"I guess we should have gotten it (Kisio's promise) in writing," said Lombardi.
No kidding. In hindsight, the Sharks should have met with Kisio last winter
and said: "Look. We need to know if you want to stay here in San Jose. If
you do, here's a two-year contract extension with a nice fat raise and an even
fatter bonus. Whatever you want. But if you don't sign it, we will trade you
because we can't let you leave and get nothing in return next summer."
2. Signing the wrong mix of veterans to replace the veterans who were released
or traded. Lombardi doesn't want to name names here, but one look at the
statistics sheet and see which veterans haven't produced.
"Our basic philosophy has remained the same," Lombardi says. "We want to keep
a core of young talent and change the veterans around them to improve the
team."
Yes, but to date none of the veterans has been as valuable to the team as, say,
Dean Evason, the hard-working forward who was traded to Dallas for a
sixth-round draft pick. As of this morning, Evason is the Stars' third-leading
scorer, with more points (8) than any current San Jose player.
3. Not ditching Link Gaetz sooner. During his first season, when the Linkster
was fighting trim and full of potential, the Sharks were offered a first-round
pick for him. They didn't bite. Then came the auto accident, the recurring
drinking problems, and you know the rest.
All in all, Gaetz was a wasted experiment but oddly enough, when he finally was
traded for a 10th round pick, a certain hunk of the team's identity also left.
And with Wilson and Kisio gone, well...who is the one player you can focus on
and say, "Yeah, he's the Sharks." We're still waiting.
4. Drafting the wrong guy last summer. This is our nomination, not Lombardi's.
He still believes the Sharks made the right pick in Viktor Kozlov, the 18-year
old Russian center who is supposed to be better than sliced baklava.
Unfortunately, the Sharks have yet to sign him, because Russian politics have
complicated matters and Kozlov has decided to play on the country's 1994
Olympic team.
Problem is, the Sharks need him now. Fans look around and see the other
first-round NHL draft choices from last June -- Alexandre Daigle, Rob
Niedermayer, Chris Pronger and Jason Arnott -- all in NHL uniforms and scoring
goals. With the exception of Daigle, who was the No. 1 pick, the Sharks could
have had any of the others.
Lombardi, for his part, still sees light at the end of the tunnel.
"I'm confident that the veterans we have are not going to tolerate losing,"
said Lombardi. "I'm confident they won't allow the locker room to deteriorate
the way it did at the end last season."
A man can hope. We eagerly await Thursday night, when the Mighty Ducks of
Anaheim come to town. The Magnificent Mallards were assembled by former Sharks
General Manager Jack Ferreira, who was mysteriously canned by the Sharks two
summers ago. Anaheim has a surprising 2-5-2 record. Maybe he learned from his
mistakes, too.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Nov 1 18:46 PST 1993
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 18:44:18 -0800
From: email@hidden (Andy Santoro)
Subject: that Odgers pic
Just want to let you folks know there are others out there that liked the
Odgers picture on the lineup card. I liked it so much, I picked up a
second one for my father. He's kind of latched onto Odgers as one of his
favorites right now, so I had to grab it. The pose was good (not as good
as the one in the program in the article on him, but still good).
Go Sharks!
Andy
220/14/23-24.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Nov 1 18:46 PST 1993
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 18:43:50 PST
From: email@hidden (David Brillinger)
Subject: Help -my tickets
Does anyone know Mark Davis? I paid him for three pairs of tickets, including Toronto game on Tuesday.
Despite emailing him and sending self-addressed envelope, I have not heard from him for a long time.
Anyone who knows him, please apply a gentle prod.
Thanks, David Brillinger
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Nov 1 19:16 PST 1993
Date: 1 Nov 1993 19:13:00 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: Purdy's 10/27 Column, Part
Subject: Time:7:12 PM
OFFICE MEMO Purdy's 10/27 Column, Part 2 Date:11/1/93
Here's the more even-handed -- although still somewhat sarcastic -- Mark Purdy
column that appeared in the morning San Jose and afternoon editions of the San
Jose Mercury News on Wednesday, October 27th.
As with the previous column I posted, this article is copyrighted by the San
Jose Mercury News, 1993. Posting complete articles is not something I do as a
matter of course, but I felt it was important to show the contrast between
these two very different columns written by the same journalist and published
on the same day in different editions of the Mercury News.
Dave Comstock
120/7/7-10
COACH'S WIFE HELPS PUT SHARKS IN DRIVER'S SEAT -- FOR A NIGHT
Kevin Constantine looked as if a large monkey shark -- is there such a thing as
a monkey shark? -- had been lifted from his back.
"This," said the head coach of San Jose's most victorious hockey team ever,
"feels a whole lot better than losing."
One victory. Finally. Sooner or later, you knew the Sharks would win their
first game of the season, as well as their first game at the San Jose Arena and
Constantine's first victory as an NHL head coach. The problem was, sooner kept
turning into later and later and later.
And then came Tuesday night. The key move may have been made by Peggy
Constantine, who is Kevin's wife. When he coached the Sharks' top farm club in
Kansas City the past two seasons, Peggy always drove him to the rink.
"Now that we're in the big leagues, we can afford to have two cars and drive
separately to the arena," said Constantine. "But today, she said, `We've got
to go back to our routine.' "
So they did. Peggy drove. Constantine coached. And the Sharks (are you
sitting down?) actually scored two goals on power plays as they won their first
game in San Jose Arena history. They beat the Edmonton Oilers 3-1.
Peggy Constantine will drive her husband to work again Thursday for the Sharks'
next game. The locker room will be a little livelier when he gets there.
It was definitely livelier late Tuesday evening. "Turn it up!" someone shouted
behind the closed doors after the game, as ZZ Top blared over the sound system.
A few hours earlier, the room had been a much more intense place. The Sharks
players realized that, with a 0-8-1 record, this was damn near a must-win game
if they were not going to finish October as hockey's longest-running practical
joke.
Before Tuesday, our beloved Los Tiburones were not just the only winless team
in the NHL, they were one of only four winless teams in all of professional
hockey -- and the other three were in the rinky-dink East Coast Hockey League.
Not only that, the Oilers were one team the Sharks knew they should beat, at
least on paper. But what is paper? On paper, the Sharks should have won three
games by now, because this team has demonstrably better talent than last
season. But it had not gained the Sharks anything except close defeats and one
tie.
The mood at San Jose Arena as the crowd arrived Tuesday was also cautious,
especially after a scoreless first period in which the Sharks took 10 shots
that resulted in no goals. Been there, seen that. Would this really be
different than the other games?
It would. In the second period, the Sharks visibly picked up their intensity
and scored two goals. Neither was a work of art, but they counted. They went
in.
How? Cosmic forces may well have been at work. Consider, if you will, Jeff
Odgers' lucky penny. The hardscrabble Sharks forward has taped a penny to the
bottom of his skate ever since he's been in the NHL.
"But Sunday night in Vancouver, I noticed it was gone," said Odgers. "So I got
another one today from (equipment manager) Bob Crocker and taped it on my left
skate."
And?
"It doesn't feel much better than this," said Odgers, one of the few remaining
players from the first Sharks team two seasons ago. That was good to see. Rob
Zettler and Arturs Irbe, two other familiar faces, also deserved to be on the
ice for this, and they were.
And what about Todd Elik? More cosmic forces at work? Elik, who played an
important role in the game, came to San Jose this week thinking he would be
playing against the Sharks.
That's because, until early Tuesday morning, Elik was property of the Edmonton
Oilers and was bunking down with them at the downtown Fairmont. But the Oilers
placed him on the waiver wire and the Sharks snapped. Elik, a five-year NHL
veteran, therefore moved his equipment from the visiting locker room to the
home locker room before Tuesday's faceoff, then went out and assisted on the
Sharks' third goal.
Afterward, Constantine was still shaking his head a little at the wackiness of
it all.
"Last night, with the way things were, the coaches and I went out and really
got a workout," Constantine said. "We went out here on the rink and I worked
up a sweat for the first time in a couple of months. By the time I got done
and then went out and got a steak, I was really beat and went home and fell
sound asleep."
At about 12:30 a.m, though, Constantine was awakened by a call from the Sharks'
front office, asking if the team should pick up Elik. Still groggy,
Constantine mumbled his assent and went back to his snoring.
"This morning when I got up, I told Peggy, `Honey, I think I talked about
something important last night, but I'm not sure.' "
That's the sort of night it was. As the Sharks built their lead, the noise
built and built in the arena. Paid attendance was 13,457, but years from now,
11,000 people will claim to have been there. That's how many no-shows there
were, at least. That was another reason the Sharks needed this victory, to
restore faith among the faithless season-ticket holders.
Of course, it's the nature of the Sharks that even the happiness had an
asterisk. In the last giddy minute, as the crowd chanted Irbe's name and the
Sharks held a 3-0 lead, Edmonton's Zdeno Ciger slapped a puck past him. No
shutout. As the cliche goes: Close, but a Ciger.
The Sharks will still take it.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Nov 1 22:38 PST 1993
From: Nelson Lu
Subject: Emmons and Sullivan to Kansas City (fwd)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 22:36:33 -0800 (PST)
Ed Rush writes:
> KLIV said the Sharks sent Emmons and Sullivan to Kansas City.
> They didn't mention bringing anyone else up or bringing anyone
> off the injury list.
>
> I don't think Sullivan has ever been to KC, has he?
Actually, he has. If my memory serves, he was there all year in '90-91, a year
before the Sharks came into being. He, like most of the Blades, signed a free
agent contract with the Sharks when the franchise was started. He started
'91-92 with the Blades, actually, but was called up early in the season, and
had not gone back until now.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Nov 2 08:29 PST 1993
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 08:28:18 -0800
From: email@hidden (Andy Santoro)
Subject: Re: Sullivan's Minor League stat
Here's Sully's minor league stats according to the 93-94 Information Guide
(aka the Media Guide):
Year Team (League) GP G A PTS PIM
90-91 San Diego (IHL) 74 12 23 35 27
91-92 KC (IHL) 10 2 8 10 8
So, yes, Mike Sullivan has been to KC before. He started the season there
and then came up Oct 28th and spent the rest of the season with the Sharks.
The Media Guides have a lot of great info in them in addition to the normal
stat's (career highlights, personal info, complete information on how the
Sharks (and prior teams) acquired the player, etc.). I would recommend
that anyone get one. Hey! You can pick it up tonight at the game!
Andy
220/14/23-24
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Nov 2 08:31 PST 1993
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 08:30:48 PST
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Talk Hockey
>What do you think of Rathje? We here in KC can't stand the guy and just
>about protested when he was sent to us...
>What do SJ fans think of him?
If you want flashy hockey, you'll hate Rathje. He's a very quiet, solid,
stay at home defensive defenseman. He'll probably never make the cover of
The Hockey News, but he'll win you games.
I happen to like him. he works hard, he's got good talent, and shows a lot
of potential. Just don't expect 90MPH slapshots or Coffey-like numbers
(either in points OR +-).
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Nov 2 09:02 PST 1993
Date: 2 Nov 1993 08:59:13 -0800
From: "Nicola White"
Subject: ticket for tonight
Subject: Time:8:56 AM
OFFICE MEMO ticket for tonight Date:11/2/93
I have one ticket for tonight's game. Section 209, $14.
Please reply to email@hidden or call (408) 383-3510.
Thanks!
Nicola
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Nov 2 09:40 PST 1993
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 09:35:33 PST
From: email@hidden (John Reed)
Subject: culture / adams family theme
As long as we are discussing the "culture" surrounding a Sharks game,
what's wrong with all the people that are clapping during the Adams
Family theme?
This is not a clapping song. It's a finger snapping song!!!
Whew, now I feel much better.
The !!!s are for Elaine. :-)
Go Sharks!
JR. (tonite, 123/5/9-10)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Nov 2 09:42 PST 1993
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 09:39:27 -0800
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: Pens or Leafs tix wanted...
...not for me, but for a bartender at my local pub.
(Rule #1: Know Thy Bartender)
He wants to take his son to a game, and he's looking for a pair of
tickets near the boards. ("Wanna see 'em CRASH!")
If you've got a pair for either tonight's game or next Tuesday's
Toronto game, give Blaine a call at Pacific Coast Brewing,
510-836-2739.
have fun
gak
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Nov 2 09:52 PST 1993
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 09:50:47 -0800
From: email@hidden (Michael E. Larson)
Subject: Tickets for sale...
Due to the ski season, holidays and other reasons of comittment, I will not
be able to attend the following games. The tickets are $14 each or
magically $28 for 2. The seats are in the corner of the second level on
the side the Sharks shoot on twice. (To the left of the goalie) The view
is very good, great for watching the play develop.
Sec. 211 Row 14 Seats 14-15
Games are:
Friday Nov. 5 Dallas
Sat. Nov. 27 Anaheim
Tuesday Dec. 28 - Calgary
Sat. Jan 8 - Team USA - only $11 a seat or $22 for two
Sat. Jan 15 - Hartford
Sun. Feb. 13 - Chicago
Sat. Feb 19 - LA Kings
Sat. Apr. 2 - Vancouver
Let me know by phone or e-mail if you would like to pick up any of these
tickets...
First come, first serve...
-Larson
Michael E. Larson email@hidden
Apple Computer, Inc. AppleLink: LARSON
20525 Mariani Ave. MS 75-6H
Cupertino, CA 95014 (408) 862-4800
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Nov 2 10:21 PST 1993
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 10:18:20 +0800
From: email@hidden (Mike Eisler)
Subject: Re: Purdy's 10/27 Column, Part
> From email@hidden Mon Nov 1 19:23 PST 1993
> Date: 1 Nov 1993 18:19:47 -0800
> From: "Dave Comstock"
> Subject: Purdy's 10/27 Column, Part
> To: "Sharks Talk"
>
> Subject: Time:6:19 PM
> OFFICE MEMO Purdy's 10/27 Column, Part 1 Date:11/1/93
> Here's Mark Purdy's caustic column from the Wednesday, October 27th, issue of
> the San Jose Mercury News.
Thanks for posting this.
> Oilers. But even that happiness had an asterisk. The Sharks were the last NHL
> team to win a game this season -- even though four other expansion franchises
> are younger. So let's pause briefly for some giddy applause and then be blunt
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Nov 2 10:53 PST 1993
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 10:51:27 -0800
From: email@hidden (Erik Schwartz)
Subject: Re: culture / adams family theme
Speaking of the Addams family theme. I just don't get it. When I was
growing up in Boston they only used to play the Addams family theme
whenever other Adams division teams were in town (Sabres-Bruins games etc)
because both teams were in the Adams "Family". It does't really make sense
at a Oilers Sharks game. I guess it's kind of fun and all but it seems to
lack some deeper meaning :-)
Anyone heard who's going to be in goal tonight?
els
>As long as we are discussing the "culture" surrounding a Sharks game,
>what's wrong with all the people that are clapping during the Adams
>Family theme?
>
>This is not a clapping song. It's a finger snapping song!!!
>
>Whew, now I feel much better.
>
>The !!!s are for Elaine. :-)
>
>Go Sharks!
>
>JR. (tonite, 123/5/9-10)
==============================================================
Erik Schwartz ICTV Inc.
email@hidden (408) 562-9200
Epicenter 223/6/12-13 It's not easy, being teal...
==============================================================
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Nov 2 11:39 PST 1993
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 11:36:12 PST
From: email@hidden
Subject: (2) Sharks tickets for Sunday!
I have 2 tickets at $14.00 each in Section 209 / Row 17 / Seats 17 & 18 (end
of row!) for the:
Sunday, Nov. 7th (2:00pm) against the New Jersery Devils.
First come first serve!
--mike hornbuckle
work (415) 812-5972
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Nov 2 11:43 PST 1993
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 11:41:22 PST
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Sullivan's Minor League stat
> Here's Sully's minor league stats according to the 93-94 Information Guide
> (aka the Media Guide):
>
> Year Team (League) GP G A PTS PIM
> 90-91 San Diego (IHL) 74 12 23 35 27
> 91-92 KC (IHL) 10 2 8 10 8
Boy, was I wrong. I apologize to Sully and everyone. I was just "talking"
off the top of my head, because it *seemed* that he had been here all
along.
> The Media Guides have a lot of great info in them...
You're right. Perhaps I should bring mine from home and keep it
here in the office.
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| Ed Rush, not speaking for Metaphor, Mtn. View, CA |
| Internet: email@hidden |
| "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
| Epicenter 117/17/11-12 |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Nov 2 11:57 PST 1993
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 11:55:49 PST
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Bob Errey
A friend of mine in Pittsburgh e-mailed me part of an article in the
local newspaper, that might interest you all:
----- Begin Included Message -----
... Anyway, I'm eating lunch and reading the newspaper, and there's an
article on Bob Errey.
Some excerpts...
The Sharks' contract offer -- reported to be a four-year deal worth
about $2 million -- is what lured Errey to San Jose, but the idea of filling
a prominent role also had strong appeal. He had been part of the Penguins'
supporting cast for most of his career, but believed he could contribute
more if given the opportunity. "It was a chance to play, to expand my role a
little bit," Errey said. "My ice time had been steadily going down. I wanted
to play, and I knew I could still play."
...
It's not realistic to believe Irbe can singlehandedly lift San Jose into
the playoffs, of course, but the Sharks do have a few other promising
prospects. Errey is particularly impressed by Gaudreau, who was the
Penguins' ninth-round draft choice in 1988.
Errey might have played alongside Gaudreau before this season if Tony
Esposito, then the Penguins' GM, hadn't trade Gaudreau to Minnesota for
Richard Zemlak on Nov 1, 1988. Gaudreau joined the Sharks in the l991
cross-pollination draft that supplied San Jose with players from the
North Stars' system.
...
It wouldn't be hard to pick a winner in the Gaudreau-Zemlak trade.
Gaudreau scored 23 goals as a rookie last season; Zemlak got two in his
NHL career.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Nov 2 12:56 PST 1993
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 12:54:27 -0800
From: Kevin Ball
Subject: Shark ticket 4 tonite
Teal Folks,
I have one ticket available for tonite's game vs. the Penguins. Upstairs,
Sec 209, $14 ( #include ).
Thanx,
Kevin Ball
email@hidden
(408)447-5341
Epicentre: 209/16/1&2
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Nov 2 13:29 PST 1993
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 19:46 GMT
From: BARBARA POLLEK
Subject: Good Chants
Does anyone remember our "Chum" (shark bait) signs from last year?
Well, we finally dug them out of the garage, and will have them again starting
tonight.
"CHUM" is a good chant for when the Sharks score a goal against the opposing
goalie, or when there's a penalty called against an opposing goon.
So, be looking and listening for us.
Dale and Barbara
Sec. 209, row 5, seats 1 & 2
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Nov 2 14:01 PST 1993
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 13:59:49 PST
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: women in ECHL
Just heard on KCBS: Just two days after Erin Whitten (of the Toledo team)
became the first woman to get a profession win as hockey goalie, the
Knoxville coach says Manon Rheaume will get her first start this
Friday or Saturday. It is possible that the two will face each other
in January or February (I forgot which) when Toledo and Knoxville meet.
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| Ed Rush, not speaking for Metaphor, Mtn. View, CA |
| Internet: email@hidden |
| "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
| Epicenter 117/17/11-12 |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Nov 2 15:46 PST 1993
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 15:25:30 PST
From: kahului!email@hidden (Douglas J Whisler)
Subject: Tape grovel
Anybody record any of the recent home games, including tonights, I'd like
to borrow or have copies.
- DW
(yes, Ed, I still owe you a tape, I know!)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Nov 2 17:30 PST 1993
Date: 2 Nov 93 16:53:00 +1600
From: email@hidden
Subject: Tickets for Sale
For Sale - Tickets to the following games:
For a person who sat in my section last year.
DO NOT CONTACT ME!
Club Section 109, Row 8
Seats 12 & 13 (aisle)
Behind Sharks Goal
$120/pr. including parking (face value)
Contack Bruce at (415) 752-5535
Nov. 23 - Tuesday - Detriot
Dec. 7 - Tuesday - Tampa Bay
Dec. 28 - Tuesday - Calgary
Jan. 4 - Tuesday - Montreal
Jan. 6 - Thursday - Detroit
Jan. 11 - Tuesday - Los Angeles
Jan. 17 - Monday - Calgary (2:00 P.M.)
Feb. 11 - Friday - Chicago
Feb. 15 - Tueday - Philadelphia
Feb. 17 - Thursday - Quebec
Feb. 21 - Monday - Dallas (2:00 P.M.)
Mar. 3 - Thursday - Edmonton
Mar. 8 - Tuesday - Buffalo
Mar. 17 - Thursday - Ottawa
Mar. 29 - Tuesday - Winnipeg
Mar. 31 - Thursday - Toronto
Apr. 13 - Wednesday - Edmonton (fan appreciation night)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Nov 2 23:31 PST 1993
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 23:29:18 -0800
From: email@hidden (Erik Schwartz)
Subject: they're for real
YIIIIIIIHHAAAAAA
sharks tie the pens 3-3 after coming back from 0-2
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Erik Schwartz ICTV Inc.
email@hidden (408) 562-9200
Epicenter 223/6/12-13 It's not easy, being teal...
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Nov 2 23:43 PST 1993
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 23:30:57 PST
From: email@hidden (Dane Collins)
Subject: scoring help!!
Does anyone know (for sure) how many goals Gaudreau has scored this season?
Last week I thought he scored a goal when they announced it but in the
Murky news the next day said that it was Duschene's goal with an assist
going to Gaudreau. Tonight at the game the announcer said that it was
Gaudreau's second goal when he scored. On the radio on the way home they
said that it was his first. Does anyone really know??
--dane
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Nov 2 23:48 PST 1993
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 23:46:23 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: scoring help!!
>Does anyone know (for sure) how many goals Gaudreau has scored this season?
Tonight was his first.
> Last week I thought he scored a goal when they announced it but in the
>Murky news the next day said that it was Duschene's goal with an assist
>going to Gaudreau.
Correctr. It was originally ann0uonced for Gaudreau, but there was a scoring
change late in the game.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Nov 2 23:57 PST 1993
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 23:55:45 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Irbe was right.
Irbe was right about the shot count. How else do you explain a 2 on 1 break
with a shot hitting the goalpost and the Sharks ending up with no shots for
the overtime? If that's not a shot, what is?
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 00:11 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 00:10:34 -0800
From: email@hidden (Michael E. Larson)
Subject: Sharks 3rd goal and other Sharks ramblings...
Was this goal scored by Errey or Craigwell? At the game they announced
Craigwell, but I was almost certain that I saw Errey guide it past Barrasso
just inside the post.
Also, listening to fans at tonight's game almost made me think about
writing a simple pronunciation dictionary for the Sharks/other teams...
How about this:
Larry-On-Off instead of Lar - On - Off
Mah-Car-Off instead of Mack-are-of
Yahhhh-Grrrrr instead of Yeager
I know these things shouldn't annopy me so much, but for some reason they do.
Now back to the real hockey talk.
What percentage do you guys think Lemieux was at tonight? I would say
about 75 - at best. He was doing well with the stickhandling, etc, but the
skating looked to be a chore, even in warm-ups... Also the Sharks kindly
layed off checking him too hard. Or am I imagining things here?
On positive Sharks notes:
Gaudreau does a good garbage collection job for a goal. (Yeah, I have been
programming too much...)
Norton with a fine job of coming in from the point to take a one-timer for
a goal.
Power-play looking nice from a control point of view in the first period.
Still few shots though. Never seemed to get working again after that.
L-M-? Line still clicking fairly well. It is real nice to watch their
pretty foot/stick work and passes. I would like to see even more of it pay
off now. (Of course, who wouldn't)
Checking, checking checking... The Sharks seem to be doing more of this
than before, maybe this comes from the games with Anaheim?
-Larson
Michael E. Larson email@hidden
Apple Computer, Inc. AppleLink: LARSON
20525 Mariani Ave. MS 306-2CW
Cupertino, CA 95014 (408) 862-4800
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 00:14 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 00:13:01 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Sharks 3rd goal and other Sharks ramblings...
It was Craigwell. His second, I believe.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 00:16 PST 1993
From: Nelson Lu
Subject: Sharks tie Penguins 3-3 (OT)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 00:14:20 -0800 (PST)
Tuesday, November 2, 7:30 P. M., at the San Jose Arena:
The Sharks lost out a chance to win the game that they most badly wanted to
win, as they blew a 3-2 third period lead after coming back from trailing 2-0,
but they were not complaining after getting their first point in history
against a team which had won all 5 games against them and had outscored them
by an average of 6 goals per game. Arturs Irbe had a very good night in goal,
stopping 35 of 38 Pittsburgh shots, including all four in overtime to preserve
the tie. Tom Barrasso had a fairly good game himself, stopping 27 of 30 shots,
including a short-handed shot from former Penguin Bob Errey with only a few
seconds left in regulation.
The Sharks out-played the Penguins in the first period with strong checking
and defense, and out-shot the Penguins 9-8, but they could not get anything by
Barrasso, and the Penguins struck first at 17:46. Off a faceoff won by Mario
Lemieux in the Sharks zone, he sent the puck towards the crease, where Kevin
Stevens redirected it past Irbe for the goal.
The Penguins appear to be heading for making the margin wider and wider in the
second period, as they struck for a power-play goal at 14:35. Kevin Stevens
and Rick Tocchet were exchanging passes on the left boards, until Stevens
spotted Lemieux open in front of the net, and fed the puck to him, and he made
no mistake with it, sending it past a sprawling Irbe for a 2-0 lead. But the
Sharks, who out-shot the Penguins 12-11 in the period, did not give up, and
they got on the board at 17:06. Johan Garpenlov got the puck on the left
boards from Sergei Makarov, and he centered it in front for Jeff Norton,
jumping up into the play, and Norton blasted the puck past Barrasso.
The Penguins had more chances on Irbe in the third period, as they out-shot the
Sharks 15-9, but the Sharks surprisingly got back into the game. They tied the
game at 2:59. Errey got the puck, forechecking in the Penguins zone, behind
the net, and after his shot was blocked, he sent it to Rob Gaudreau, who
one-timed it past Barrasso to tie the game. After over ten minutes of good
play by both goalies, the Sharks got their first lead ever against the Penguins
at 15:01, as off a faceoff won by Dale Craigwell, Errey sent the puck back to
Michal Sykora, who blasted a shot that Barrasso stopped, but Craigwell was
there to poke in the rebound. But the lead was short-lived, as just 31 seconds
later, the Penguins would tie it up. Lemieux, getting a pass from Tocchet at
center ice, brought the puck into the Sharks zone, and dropped it off to Ulf
Samuelsson, who let go a wrist shot that eluded Irbe for the goal. The end
of regulations saw Irbe stopping a few good chances by the Penguins on the
power-play, then Barrasso denying Errey short-handed to send the game into
overtime.
The Penguins, who had 1 1/2 power-plays during overtime, clearly dominated the
five minute period, as they got all four shots, and they appeared to have won
the game on a goal by Lemieux on a delayed penalty, but referee Mike(?) Jackson
waved off the goal, ruling that he had blown the whistle and that the net had
come off the moorings before Lemieux sent the puck past Irbe. Irbe had to make
a good stop to deny Stevens the game winner later on, and the Sharks then had
their best scoring chance on a 2-on-1, but Sykora hit the goalpost.
Tonight's three stars:
1. Michal Sykora
2. Mario Lemieux
3. Rob Gaudreau
Tonight's lines:
Johan Garpenlov Igor Larionov Sergei Makarov
Bob Errey Dale Craigwell Rob Gaudreau
Gaetan Duchesne Todd Elik Pat Falloon
David Maley Jeff McLean Jeff Odgers
(Actually, Maley-McLean-Odgers did not play much as a line, as Jeff McLean had
a couple shifts with Igor Larionov and Sergei Makarov, while Maley and Odgers
were on for odd shifts.)
Tonight's defensive pairings:
Michal Sykora Rob Zettler
Jeff Norton Sandis Ozolinsh
Tom Pederson Doug Zmolek
Scratches: Mike Lalor (knee), Jayson More (wrist), Jamie Baker (groin),
Ray Whitney (knee), Shawn Cronin. Baker had resumed practice, but
Lalor, More, and Whitney are all out for at least a few more weeks.
Notes:
1. The Sharks are having their ways with waterfowls this week! :-)
2. The Errey-Craigwell-Gaudreau line played very, very well. They were
excellent defensively, and, as the score sheet suggests, made
offense out of their defense. Craigwell blocked a shot, in particular,
in overtime, to help preserve the tie.
3. The Garpenlov-Larionov-Makarov line also appeared to have been very
good. Makarov extended his point-scoring streak to 7 games with an
assist on Norton's goal.
4. Irbe's the best goaltender in the world... Uh, the Pacific Division...
5. The Sharks now have gone 3-1-1 over the past 5 games. If they can
keep up this pace for the rest of the season, they'll have 105 points
on the season. :-) :-)
===============================================================================
GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs! Bill Ranford for Vezina!
GO DALLAS STARS! Go for playoffs! Ulf Dahlen for Lady Byng!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (email@hidden)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 00:20 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 00:19:28 -0800
From: email@hidden (Michael E. Larson)
Subject: Penalty display at the arena...
Does anyone know if they have a reason for not displaying the coincidental
penalties at the arena? I counted tonight and there are 5 displays for
penalties per team. It would seem that it would be extremely rare to fill
all of these up without coincidental penalties being placed there. It
would be nice to see at a glance how much longer so-and-so had to wait
until the could become eligible for parole if you will...
-Larson
Michael E. Larson email@hidden
Apple Computer, Inc. AppleLink: LARSON
20525 Mariani Ave. MS 306-2CW
Cupertino, CA 95014 (408) 862-4800
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 00:43 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 00:41:26 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Sharks tie Penguins 3-3 (OT)
>The Sharks lost out a chance to win the game that they most badly wanted to
>win, as they blew a 3-2 third period lead after coming back from trailing 2-0,
>but they were not complaining after getting their first point in history
>against a team which had won all 5 games against them and had outscored them
>by an average of 6 goals per game.
I don't think "blew" is an appropriate term. There was a pileup in front of
the crease, the puck came free, and Ulfie put it away. It was an
opportunistic goal, and the Penguins aren't a team to miss opportunities. I
don't think we can blame a defensive breakdown, any kind of lapse or even a
bad bounce. It was a good play by the Pens.
That said, the Sharks played the Penguins even all night, almost shot for
shot, opportunity for opportunity. Until overtime, I don't think more than
three shots ever separated the teams.
Frankly, the Sharks sent a message tonight. They played what might well be
the best team in hockey (and if not, the team that consistently gave the
Sharks skating lessons every meeting until now), and skated them dead even.
The message is that the Sharks can play ANY team tough on ANY night, and
any team that makes a mistake is going to pay. The Sharks, if they can
continue this momentum, are going to make people crazy. About time.
The Penguins didn't play badly or down to the Sharks. The Sharks simply
played up to a better team. I think kudos need to go to Drew and Bob
Friedlander, the video gurus, and also to Constantine, because the Sharks
had the Penguins strategy down cold, and the players executed pretty close
to perfectly. The Penguins were clearly taken out of their game and never
quite figured out how to build any momentum. That's good coaching and great
execution.
>Arturs Irbe had a very good night in goal,
>stopping 35 of 38 Pittsburgh shots, including all four in overtime to preserve
>the tie. Tom Barrasso had a fairly good game himself, stopping 27 of 30 shots,
>including a short-handed shot from former Penguin Bob Errey with only a few
>seconds left in regulation.
Frankly, both goalies kicked butt tonight. They got my 1
and 2 stars (Mario with 3 points gets a third), but the media simply
discounts killer goaltending for scoring. Foo on dem.
>Johan Garpenlov got the puck on the left
Amazing what a short vacation can do for a player. Garpy looked good
tonight, although getting on the line with Sergie and Larionov can't hurt.
He hustled all night.
>but the Sharks surprisingly got back into the game.
Not to anyone AT the game. It was clear the Sharks smelled blood. They oozed
confidence by that point.
>the net, and after his shot was blocked, he sent it to Rob Gaudreau, who
Who also played a great game. He seemed to finally stop pushing for that
first goal, settle down and focus on playing solid hockey. And, of course,
scored.
>the game on a goal by Lemieux on a delayed penalty, but referee Mike(?) Jackson
>waved off the goal, ruling that he had blown the whistle and that the net had
>come off the moorings before Lemieux sent the puck past Irbe.
The net was a good three feet off on one side. No brainer, except to the
idiot Penguin fans...
>1. Michal Sykora
Sykora played his best game everywhere. Everwhere was where he was. Hitting
things, carrying the puck, solid defense, good offensive chances. Wow. He
grew up tonight, a lot.
>2. Mario Lemieux.
A LOT of ice time. A LOT. He's gorgeous to watch. The man double-shifts and
doesn't sweat. Doesn't breathe hard. Is he human? And if you blink, he's
past you.
The man who spent most of the night dogging him, too, was Craigwell (believe
it or not). And Craigwell did a fine job of, if not stopping him, minimizing
his impact. More important, Craigwell won almost EVERY faceoff he took
against Mario (wow). He impressed tonight against very tough talent.
>Johan Garpenlov Igor Larionov Sergei Makarov
Great line tonight.
>Bob Errey Dale Craigwell Rob Gaudreau
Ditto.
>Gaetan Duchesne Todd Elik Pat Falloon
Frankly, I didn't see much of these folks. I can't say that Constantine was
sitting the line, because I wasn't counting, but I THINK they were on
limited duty. Fascinating. Falloon on the third line.
>David Maley Jeff McLean Jeff Odgers
Maley was seeing limited action. Usually in the thick of it, and usually
holding his own. Good game for him.
> Michal Sykora Rob Zettler
> Jeff Norton Sandis Ozolinsh
> Tom Pederson Doug Zmolek
Kudos to the entire dcorp tonight. Sykora for showing what makes him a Shark
instead of a WHL player. Zetler for some good hustle (and despite taking a
penalty in overtime, a good game. The penalty was a fairly cheap one).
Sandis was hitting folks. Zmolek was clearing the crease and making things
happen. Pederson was skating like a demon was on his tail all night. Norton
showed good hustle. These guys really played their hearts out.
>Scratches: Mike Lalor (knee), Jayson More (wrist), Jamie Baker (groin),
> Ray Whitney (knee),
Saw Lalor and Whitney in the tunnel before the game. Lalor is using a cane.
Whitney didn't show signs of anyhting serious -- walking without a noticable
limp, and in street clothes that didn't seem to indicate braces, crutches or
anything nasty.
>4. Irbe's the best goaltender in the world... Uh, the Pacific Division...
he's kicking some serious butt.
Here's how good he is. Late in the overtime, during a break, Mario came over
and said something to Irbe, and then proceeded to whap him on the pads. The
respect from Mario was obvious. I don't think I've EVER seen the opposition
do that before. Irbe proved himself to the Penguins tonight, and Mario
acknowledged it.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 00:44 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 00:42:48 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Penalty display at the arena...
>Does anyone know if they have a reason for not displaying the coincidental
>penalties at the arena?
You only display penalties that can be overturned by a goal, or which cause
a power play. So if they both go off and teams don't go down a man (say for
4 on 4 skating) there's no display.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 01:10 PST 1993
From: email@hidden (Daryll France)
Subject: Re: shot count
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 1:15:53 PST
> Irbe was right about the shot count. How else do you explain a 2 on 1 break
> with a shot hitting the goalpost and the Sharks ending up with no shots for
> the overtime? If that's not a shot, what is?
A shot on goal is simply a shot that would go into the net if the goalie
does not block it. A shot that hits a goalpost and does not go in is
therefore not a shot on goal.
-Daryll
ps. Too bad! If Sykora had gotten that goal, less people would have
been surprised he was the number one star. He really deserved the
star regardless.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 06:35 PST 1993
From: Joshua Atkins
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 09:32:49 -0500
Subject: Re: Irbe was right.
>Chuq Von Rospach writes:
>Irbe was right about the shot count. How else do you explain a 2 on 1 break
>with a shot hitting the goalpost and the Sharks ending up with no shots for
>the overtime? If that's not a shot, what is?
That's not a shot. The way i've always understood the rules, it only counts as a shot on goal
if it would have gone in without the goalie's intervention.
Hitting the goalpost means hitting the goalpost. It wouldn't have gone in, because it hit the
goalpost, not because of anything that the goalie did. This also applies when the defense
blocks a shot. It's not credited as a shot on goal, because the goalie didn't have to make a
play on it.
With this same logic, a shot going wide that the goalie gloves or kicks aside is also not a shot
on goal, but I've seen them fequently called as such.
Hope this helps.
Joshua Atkins
Allegehny College
email@hidden
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 08:24 PST 1993
Date: 3 Nov 93 08:15:00 PST
From: "MOSHE PREIL (22117)"
Subject: Goals Waved Off in Pens Game
The goal that was waved off in OT was pretty clear; the net was
off the moorings for a few seconds before the shot. There was also a
Pen goal waved off earlier in the game (when the score was still 0-0);
we didn't have a good view from 209, but it looked liked a Pen was in
the crease (actually, it looked like he was trying to fit in Irbes'
jersey). Chuq, that must have happened right in front of you; did you
catch the call? Moshe
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 08:31 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 08:30:37 PST
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Irbe was right.
>Irbe was right about the shot count. How else do you explain a 2 on 1 break
>with a shot hitting the goalpost and the Sharks ending up with no shots for
>the overtime? If that's not a shot, what is?
Thanks for the feedback. You're right. It's not a shot. Chalk it up to
adrenalin, post-game euphoria and visiting Oh! La! La! for a late-night
caffeine burst (no more mocha's for you, Chuq. Not when I don't yawn until
1:30AM and have to work the next morning!)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 08:37 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 08:35:52 PST
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Re: Irbe was right.
Chuq writes:
"Irbe was right about the shot count. How else do you explain a 2 on 1 break
with a shot hitting the goalpost and the Sharks ending up with no shots for
the overtime? If that's not a shot, what is?"
The definition of a shot on goal is a shot that would have gone into the
net if the goalie had not intervened. SO a shot that hits the post
is not a shot on goal. If the shot is on goal, and the goalie deflects
it slightly so that it hits the post, then it is a shot on goal.
---
Alan Hepburn "If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens,
National Semiconductor how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden George Bernard Shaw
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 08:39 PST 1993
From: email@hidden (Richard W. Jones)
Subject: Tickets 4sale - Toronto game
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 8:37:55 PST
Two Sharks tickets for sale --- for the Toronto game, November 9, 1993
Dress Circle, Section 127, Row 17, Seats 1& 2
Corner seats on Sharks redline, close to the ice in the first row above the club seats.
Price is $76.00 (face value)
Dick Jones --- (408) 725-1693
--
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 08:46 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 08:43:56 PST
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Re: Penalty display at the arena...
Michael asks:
"Does anyone know if they have a reason for not displaying the coincidental
penalties at the arena?"
Typically, coincidental penalties don't get displayed probably for
historical reasons. When coincidental penalties do not result in
a reduction of on-ice personnel, then the penalised players cannot
leave the box when the penalty expires until there is a stoppage
in play. The players in the boxes will be notified when their
penalty is over, but must wait for a whistle to enter the ice, or
their team will have too many men on the ice. This won't happen when
you're skating 4 on 4 obviously, but it's probably easier to keep
consistency than to make exceptions for each occurrence.
---
Alan Hepburn "If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens,
National Semiconductor how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden George Bernard Shaw
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 08:53 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 08:52:22 PST
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Re: Sharks tie Penguins 3-3 (OT)
Tonight's three stars:
1. Michal Sykora
2. Mario Lemieux
3. Rob Gaudreau
These choices really amazed me. My choices were Gaudreau, Pederson,
and Craigwell. Pederson was playing like a demon all night, hitting
anything that was dressed in black, levelling the player and coming
up with the puck. Craigwell was winning face-offs like it was a
romp in the park for him. Both played with more intensity and
consistency than either Mario or Sykora. I figure Mario got chosen
as a sympathy vote, since he gor 3 points and has come back from
back surgery and Hodgkins, and I don't know why Sykora was chosen.
I hope the media gets over fawning over Mario and his "victory over
adversity". It seems that all he has to do is show up to get a star
these days.
---
Alan Hepburn "If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens,
National Semiconductor how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden George Bernard Shaw
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 09:03 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 09:02:05 PST
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Sharks 3rd goal and other Sharks ramblings...
>Also, listening to fans at tonight's game almost made me think about
>writing a simple pronunciation dictionary for the Sharks/other teams...
Oh, I WISH that's all we had to worry about. Laurie and I had Beavis and
Butthead sitting behind us last night. Seriously. "Uh huh. cackle. Shit,
man, I hope they fight. heh. uh huh.". All night, at about 90 decibels. We
were ready to kill them. The only time it was quiet was when they were off
scrounging more beer, which was fairly often.
Last night was the FIRST time there were lines in the club section
restrooms, too. All those Penguin fans and all that beer (yes, I'm
stereotyping, but in all the sections around me, there were an amazing
number of people in Pen stuff, and they all were drinking far more than the
typical Sharks audience, and were all loud (and usually wrong, and/or
calling for fights). It was a funky crowd last night, and not necessarily
what I'd call a good one. Lots of rough edges.
Some good lines in the restroom, though:
"A line? What happened? We end up back in the Cow Palace?"
"Fire!" "I can put it out!" (this is the men's bathroom. think about it)
"Foul ball!" "Someone watches too much TV".
(Line is a relative concept. We're talking five, six people. But usually,
there's no waiting. Another advantage of the wine and cheese crowd. I can
usually wait until the last six or 7 minutes of a period, wander up, make a
stop, hit the concession stand and never miss the start of the period.)
>What percentage do you guys think Lemieux was at tonight?
By my rough count, he played 25-30 minutes. That's less than usual, and he
was clearly skating free and cherrypicking. 75% isn't an unreasonable guess.
On the other hand, even at 75%, he was one of the best players on the ice
and got three points including a goal. He was, however, clearly avoiding
traffic or any situation where he might get hit. Can you blame him?
On the other hand, he was still double-shifting, especially late in the game
(so was Jagr. On the other hand, McSorley was seeing surprisingly little (to
me) game time, playing about every other shift or so and focussing more on
power play defense) during crunch time. What's considered an off-night for
Lemieux most players would love to have...
>Also the Sharks kindly
>layed off checking him too hard. Or am I imagining things here?
Not so kindly. First, you have to CATCH him. More importantly, if you do,
Ulfie and McSorley come and feed you your skates without removing them from
your feet first. Besides, I don't think any player particularly wants to be
known as the guy who took Mario out of the game and ended his career (but
more on this aspect in a second).
>Power-play looking nice from a control point of view in the first period.
>Still few shots though. Never seemed to get working again after that.
Still struggling, but to be fair, they're trying for a shooting lane and the
defense was good at clogging it up. They're still being somewhat TOO
careful, but given a relative lack of success at cornering rebounds off
shots, I'm not sure I can blame them.
What's the effective difference between spending a little more time looking
for a good shot (and maybe getting it, maybe not), or tossing in a faster
shot that gets cleared down the ice after a routine save? I think as the
Sharks get more confident about their ability to crash in and get rebounds,
the power play will pick up. I'm seeing signs of this (Gaudreau and
Craigwell's goals to name two).
>L-M-? Line still clicking fairly well. It is real nice to watch their
>pretty foot/stick work and passes. I would like to see even more of it pay
>off now. (Of course, who wouldn't)
Garpenlov, last night. Doghouse to first line. Garpy played rather well,
too. That style fits him well.
Latest on Whitney is 3-5 weeks with a slight tear of the right MCL. Nothing
needing surgery, just needing rest. Constantine was quoted as strongly
hinting that he hopes Whitney uses his time off the skates productively (as
in, hit the weight room). Whitney is quoted as promising Constantine another
two pounds of upper body muscle for Christmas.
I think the coach and players have come to some kind of understanding and
growing appreciation for each other...
>Checking, checking checking... The Sharks seem to be doing more of this
>than before, maybe this comes from the games with Anaheim?
Yes, this was the best I've seen them this year as far as making checks and
finishing them -- when appropriate. The fans got on them a bit at times for
not checking folks, but frankly, when that happened, it was usually Jagr,
and you can't check what you can't catch.
Actually, one quick digression. Late in the third, Zmolek DID catch up with
Jagr behind the crease, put in the shoulder and tried to ride him into the
boards. Jagr stood him up and stopped him dead in his tracks. Zmolek got one
funny look on his face (and Jagr smiled). Jagr is one major strong kiddo on
top of everything else (does he blowdry his hair between periods?).
Anyway, on checking. Interesting bit of strategy I noticed last night.
The Sharks were up against a team that was (a) bigger, (b) faster, (c)
opportunistic as hell. Much of the night, they were clearly NOT trying to
take the body or check people into the boards, but were instead playing a
containment/positioning game trying to keep the crease clear and the passing
lanes clogged. One reason I think they did this was because if you try to
check someone and he muscles off or goes around you, it's a breakaway.
The Sharks lose a pure physical game against this team, so they didn't try.
They focussed instead on (a) minimizing Lemieux, (b) shutting down Jagr
{pretty successfully} and (c) defensing the rest of the team and trying to
keep them from creating scoring opportunities.
Damn if it didn't work.
The Penguins have some weaknesses the Sharks exploited last night,
mostly work habits that seem to come from the kind of team they are.
They're very accurate passers, but not necessarily precise (what I mean
is this: when they focus on it, they'll nail you with pinpoint
accuracy, but lots of times, they simply don't -- knowing that if it's
in the area, they're big and strong enough to get the puck most of the
time, so a puck to the skates is as good as a puck to the stick). They are
not overly patient (except Lemieux, and even he forces the issue at times),
and they KNOW they're bigger, stronger and more powerful and can generate
offense almost at will (as the third goal showed), so they aren't afraid to
take chances or accept turnovers. And their defense is relatively weak --
very offense oriented.
Basically, they're fearless. They feel no lead is safe (and they're right),
so they're prone to turning things over, pushing the envelope to create
opportunities, and they can be coerced into sloppy play. The Sharks played
right into those weaknesses by taking away the crease, giving them the
outside edge of the zone and basically letting them play catch until a
Penguin either pushed something the wrong way or sent a pass that a defender
could tip away. It kept the Penguins off their game most of the night.
Good coaching, good execution and a LOT of patience on the part of the
Sharks. Very impressive.
And a lot of confidence that they could go in and do this without being burnt.
I bet the Sharks are flying this morning.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 09:06 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 09:05:17 PST
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Goals Waved Off in Pens Game
>There was also a
>Pen goal waved off earlier in the game (when the score was still 0-0);
>we didn't have a good view from 209, but it looked liked a Pen was in
>the crease (actually, it looked like he was trying to fit in Irbes'
>jersey). Chuq, that must have happened right in front of you; did you
>catch the call?
It was hard to tell from the pileup, and they didn't show replays at the
arena, but what Laurie said was that she thought Irbe had the puck in his
glove, and then a Penguin shoved the glove into the goal with his stick. It
really looked like Irbe had the puck stopped. Close play, though.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 09:09 PST 1993
Date: 3 Nov 1993 08:34:59 U
From: "Lou Fischer"
Subject: Women in ECHL
email@hidden
Internal
Memorandum Subject
Women in ECHL
Hey sports fans:
Just pulled this off the net; pretty cool, huh? I'd love to be at the game
where these gals meet. Anyone interested in a pilgramage to Toledo or
Knoxville? (Anyone even know where Knoxville is?)
-Lou
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Subject: women in ECHL
Status: R
Just heard on KCBS: Just two days after Erin Whitten (of the Toledo team)
became the first woman to get a profession win as hockey goalie, the
Knoxville coach says Manon Rheaume will get her first start this
Friday or Saturday. It is possible that the two will face each other
in January or February when Toledo and Knoxville meet.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 09:11 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 09:10:11 PST
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Sharks tie Penguins 3-3 (OT)
>1. Michal Sykora
>2. Mario Lemieux
>3. Rob Gaudreau
>These choices really amazed me. My choices were Gaudreau, Pederson,
>and Craigwell.
Then again, Barasso and Irbe both deserved stars, too.
Mario got three points including one goal, and he WAS a force all night, if
only because he was creating things and forcing the Sharks to play him
tough. I think it was a legitimate call.
Sykora played a hell of a game. If you don't think so, you weren't watching
him too closely. A real step up for him on both sides of the ice. He was a
big part of shutting down the Pens, adn he came awful close to winning the
game multiple times either with shots or setups.
Gaudreau finally stopped trying to score and started playing good hockey
(and therefore scored).
The reality is, in a game like this, seven or eight people deserve stars and
can't get them.
>I figure Mario got chosen
>as a sympathy vote, since he gor 3 points and has come back from
>back surgery and Hodgkins, and I don't know why Sykora was chosen.
If there are media who fawn, there are also people who anti-fawn. Lemieux
had THREE POINTS and played almost half the game (by my rough count. He
definitely had 25 minutes of ice time). That's not exactly chopped liver,
Alan.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 09:11 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 09:10:41 PST
From: Laurie Sefton
Subject: Re: Sharks tie Penguins 3-3 (OT)
It was noted by the media (at least the ones I listen to) that Craigwell
won the faceoffs. This was seen as no less than a major miracle/accomplishment
by Craigwell.
Craigwell is *fast* and has excellent hand/eye coordination. He was able to
sweep the puck away from Mario before Mario even knew what happened.
Since Craigwell was the post game interview, I suspect that Rusanowsky and
crew were expecting him to get a star. Craigwell is a very well spoken
young man, BTW. Good voice, too--he'd do well inthe broadcasting booth after
what should be a nice long career.
Other stuff:
Irbe was doing some serious snow packing along the side of the net. Mario
came over and helped him pack some of it, and then went off the ot linesmen
to complain (weird). They made Irbe get rid of some of the snow (it was
packed up about 10 cm in places), and when they turned their backs, Irbe
packed it up again.
Laurie
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 09:17 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 09:14:40 -0800
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: Re: Sharks tie Penguins 3-3 (OT)
>That said, the Sharks played the Penguins even all night, almost shot for
>shot, opportunity for opportunity. Until overtime, I don't think more than
>three shots ever separated the teams.
The Sharks let the shot count ***9-2*** at one point.
have fun
gak (whee!)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 09:38 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 09:36:02 PST
From: email@hidden (Jason Cockroft)
Subject: Re: Sharks tie Penguins 3-3 (OT)
>The Sharks lost out a chance to win the game that they most badly wanted to
"lost out"? whaaa? "to win" ???
>win, as they blew a 3-2 third period lead after coming back from trailing 2-0,
"blew ... a lead" - the Pens were unstoppable that shift.
>but they were not complaining after getting their first point in history
hardly.
>against a team which had won all 5 games against them and had outscored them
>by an average of 6 goals per game. Arturs Irbe had a very good night in goal,
tonight Irbe wasn't the story.
>stopping 35 of 38 Pittsburgh shots, including all four in overtime to preserve
>the tie. Tom Barrasso had a fairly good game himself, stopping 27 of 30 shots,
Naa, he wasn't part of the story either.
>including a short-handed shot from former Penguin Bob Errey with only a few
Didn't that hit the post?
>seconds left in regulation.
>
The rest of the summary is quite good. I do appreciate 'em. It's just
the first paragraph doesn't mention how well we brought the puck out of
our zone, how well we passed, how we hit in the corners, won face-offs,
did not make numerous defensive zone mistakes, shot the puck, created
numerous 2-on-1's and killed penalities. Irbe and Barrasso were not the
story lines as I see it.
-jake.
shaaaaAAARRRKKKKK ATTACK!
Epicenter 209/16/5
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 10:10 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 10:07:41 +0800
From: email@hidden (Mike Eisler)
Subject: Re: Penalty display at the arena...
> Does anyone know if they have a reason for not displaying the coincidental
> penalties at the arena? I counted tonight and there are 5 displays for
> penalties per team. It would seem that it would be extremely rare to fill
> all of these up without coincidental penalties being placed there. It
> would be nice to see at a glance how much longer so-and-so had to wait
> until the could become eligible for parole if you will...
I thought the same thing. When I've been to Blackhawk games, I'm sure
I've seen all penalties but game misconducts posted. There's a lot
more room on the Chicago Stadium scoreboard for penalties than the
penalty box.
-mre
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 10:55 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 10:53:15 PST
From: email@hidden (Doug Moran)
Subject: Re: Sharks 3rd goal and other Sharks ramblings...
Chuq Von Rospach writes:
>
> Anyway, on checking. Interesting bit of strategy I noticed last night.
> The Sharks were up against a team that was (a) bigger, (b) faster, (c)
> opportunistic as hell. Much of the night, they were clearly NOT trying to
> take the body or check people into the boards, but were instead playing a
> containment/positioning game trying to keep the crease clear and the passing
> lanes clogged. One reason I think they did this was because if you try to
> check someone and he muscles off or goes around you, it's a breakaway.
> The Sharks lose a pure physical game against this team, so they didn't try.
> They focussed instead on (a) minimizing Lemieux, (b) shutting down Jagr
> {pretty successfully} and (c) defensing the rest of the team and trying to
> keep them from creating scoring opportunities.
The thing that I noticed most of all was that the Sharks were forcing a
lot of turnovers. They were in the passing lanes, they were hassling
the Pens in their zone and forcing bad passes, they were denying them
the crease in the Sharks zone, and they were not allowing them over the
blue line without a fight. I don't think I've ever seen a Sharks game
where so many of the opponents passes ended up on Sharks' sticks, or
where the Sharks stole the puck so often. Impressive. A hell of a
game.
dougm
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 11:00 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 10:57:16 PST
From: email@hidden (David Dobrikin)
Subject: Re: Penalaty dispaly at the arena
----- Begin Included Message -----
Does anyone know if they have a reason for not displaying the coincidental
penalties at the arena? I counted tonight and there are 5 displays for
penalties per team. It would seem that it would be extremely rare to fill
all of these up without coincidental penalties being placed there. It
would be nice to see at a glance how much longer so-and-so had to wait
until the could become eligible for parole if you will...
----- End Included Message -----
One word: basketball.
David Dobrikin
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 11:16 PST 1993
Subject: Re: Sharks tie Penguins 3-3 (OT)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 93 11:14:17 PST
From: email@hidden
In message you write:
>It was noted by the media (at least the ones I listen to) that Craigwell
>won the faceoffs. This was seen as no less than a major miracle/accomplishment
>by Craigwell.
>
>Craigwell is *fast* and has excellent hand/eye coordination. He was able to
>sweep the puck away from Mario before Mario even knew what happened.
>
Craigwell really reminded me of Kisio last night. Always hustling, winning
face offs against larger/faster players, and generally really mucking it up
in the corners.
Plus, he gave a really good left hook to Stevens in the corner.
-- archer
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 12:16 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 11:46:15 PST
From: kahului!email@hidden (Douglas J Whisler)
Subject: Re: Goals Waved Off in Pens Game
> From: "MOSHE PREIL (22117)"
>
> The goal that was waved off in OT was pretty clear; the net was
> off the moorings for a few seconds before the shot. There was also a
> Pen goal waved off earlier in the game (when the score was still 0-0);
> we didn't have a good view from 209, but it looked liked a Pen was in
> the crease (actually, it looked like he was trying to fit in Irbes'
> jersey). Chuq, that must have happened right in front of you; did you
> catch the call? Moshe
>
The 1st period wave-off is a break our way, for a change, IMO, altho
Chuq's comments on Laurie's view has great merit. It happened *very*
fast, the wraparound, Irbe's glove at the post, then maybe or maybe not
on or across the line, and then not. Either: a) the whistle had blown
before the light (as Jackson was on the other side and may have lost
sight of it) b) someone in the crease? I don't know, all I remember
is Irbe's glove struggling to stay in front of the line. Either way,
a *very* close call goes our way.
I still don't understand the OT waveoff - if there's a delayed penalty,
and the net is off, why continue play? The post the shot was wrapped
in around was still on its mooring; don't new rules allow such goals
if the net is off but the puck clearly crosses thru the 4x6 area? If
it's waved off due to crease violation, the faceoff should be outside
the zone, right? Where was it faced off? (Do I sound confused?)
What I *will* bet on is that Jackson is *NOT* a popular referee of the
Penguins!
- DW
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 12:23 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 12:22:09 PST
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Goals Waved Off in Pens Game
>The 1st period wave-off is a break our way, for a change, IMO, altho
>Chuq's comments on Laurie's view has great merit.
In more ways than one. Laurie made one other interesting point on this last
night -- the waveoff happened very late in the first period. It definitely
fired up the Pens, who then came back and scored for real fairly soon
thereafter. Then the period ended, and they'd cooled down again in the
second.
If that waveoff had happened at, say, 5:00 in the first and the Penguins had
played most of a period with that stuck in their throat, it might have
gotten painful. As it was, it helped us AND it didn't hurt us.
>Either: a) the whistle had blown
>before the light (as Jackson was on the other side and may have lost
>sight of it)
Well, Jackson was waving it off immediately, and it survived video replay.
So whatever it was, it was evidently clear to the officials (which doesn't
say much).
>What I *will* bet on is that Jackson is *NOT* a popular referee of the
>Penguins!
they sure didn't act like it. What's more, he's evidently an east coast ref
making a swing with the teams out this way, because I don't believe I've
seen him out here before.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 13:00 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 12:58:08 PST
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Sharks tie Penguins 3-3 (OT)
Gaudreau on KCBS just now (12:45): "I got tired of being frustrated.
It's not worth it any more."
The Sharks were in the Pens' faces all night long. The Pens looked
disorganized, because nearly every time they started a play, or tried
to get the puck to a net-lurking Pen, there was some Shark in the way.
The Sharks got more breakaways than usual, although Barasso and the
Pens' d-men usually managed to keep them from scoring.
By the end of the game, we could see that Jagr was seriously pissed off.
I got the feeling he felt the Pens should be getting two easy points here.
Bottom line, though, was that the Pens did not play a bad game; the
Sharks just played (and coached) up to them. It will be fascinating
to see how much of this carries over to Friday's Stars game (and the
Sunday and Tuesday games against NJ and Toronto).
My Pittsburgh friend said:
> ... You got to see Mario have a decent game but we also didn't
> beat the pants off you this time. Let me know your thoughts.
The Sharks definitely kept their pants on last night.
I am amazed that I have any voice left today. I used it all last night.
Other miscellaneous responses:
> ... But the lead was short-lived, as just 31 seconds
> later, the Penguins would tie it up. Lemieux, getting a pass from Tocchet at
> center ice, brought the puck into the Sharks zone, and dropped it off to Ulf
> Samuelsson, who let go a wrist shot that eluded Irbe for the goal.
Not at all. Tocchet tried to center it, a Shark blocked the pass, and the
puck skittered into the middle of the slot. Just like a football fumble,
relatively nearby players dashed for it. The puck was nearly still when
Ulf Samuelsson got to it and whacked it through a thick screen to the net.
That one was no one's fault but Ulfie's.
> the Sharks
> had the Penguins strategy down cold, and the players executed pretty close
> to perfectly. The Penguins were clearly taken out of their game and never
> quite figured out how to build any momentum. That's good coaching and great
> execution.
Those are the same sentiments that Eddie Johnston expressed in an interview
I heard earlier this morning on KCBS.
> Saw ... Whitney in the tunnel before the game. ...
> Whitney didn't show signs of anyhting serious -- walking without a noticable
> limp, and in street clothes that didn't seem to indicate braces, crutches or
> anything nasty.
My knee did that once; walking is fine, until you twist it even five degrees
at which point the knee feels like the flaming forests of Malibu.
> The Sharks are having their ways with waterfowls this week! :-)
I guess Oilers don't count as waterfowl, except in the wake of Exxon ships.
> Irbe's the best goaltender in the world... Uh, the Pacific Division...
Personally, I think that's not too far off the mark. The kid is awesome.
He makes a few mistakes by being too aggressive behind the net, but in
front of it he is amazing.
> Here's how good he is. Late in the overtime, during a break, Mario came over
> and said something to Irbe, and then proceeded to whap him on the pads. The
> respect from Mario was obvious. I don't think I've EVER seen the opposition
> do that before. Irbe proved himself to the Penguins tonight, and Mario
> acknowledged it.
True. There was also one time earlier in the game when he had survived
a Penguin flurry and all five Shark skaters came by in a line to slap
Irbe's pads.
> >There was also a Pen goal waved off earlier in the game ...
> >it looked liked a Pen was in
> >the crease (actually, it looked like he was trying to fit in Irbes'
> >jersey). Chuq, that must have happened right in front of you; did you
> >catch the call?
>
> ... what Laurie said was that she thought Irbe had the puck in his
> glove, and then a Penguin shoved the glove into the goal with his stick. It
> really looked like Irbe had the puck stopped. Close play, though.
Laurie got it exactly right. From 117, directly across the ice from Chuq
and Laurie, it was clear (and an amazingly good call from Inaction Jackson).
> ps. Too bad! If Sykora had gotten that goal, less people would have
> been surprised he was the number one star.
True.
> He really deserved the star regardless.
Much as I like Psycho-Ra, and appreciate that he had his best
regular-season game as a Shark, I can't honestly say that he was the
most important player last night. Irbe stood on his head (figuratively),
as usual, and Craigwell stood SuperMario on his ear.
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| Ed Rush, not speaking for Metaphor, Mtn. View, CA |
| Internet: email@hidden |
| "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
| Epicenter 117/17/11-12 |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 13:11 PST 1993
Date: 03 Nov 93 16:06:03 EST
From: Richard Thompson
Subject: Scouting report
For those interested in NHL prospects, this may be of interest:
--Las Vegas Thunder's Radek Bonk is universally rated the top player available
in next summer's NHL entry draft, but the Red Line Report, a new scouting
newsletter, suggests that Florida -- which was guaranteed the No. 1 pick --
might pass on Bonk to select Brett Lindros, Eric's not-so-little brother. To
subscribe to Red Line, a Dearborn, Mich.-based publication, phone
1-313-730-1169.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 13:31 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 13:27:45 PST
From: email@hidden (Ed McGettigan)
Subject: Re: Goals Waved Off in Pens Game
> From: kahului!email@hidden (Douglas J Whisler)
> > From: "MOSHE PREIL (22117)"
> >
> > The goal that was waved off in OT was pretty clear; the net was
> > off the moorings for a few seconds before the shot. There was also a
> > Pen goal waved off earlier in the game (when the score was still 0-0);
> > we didn't have a good view from 209, but it looked liked a Pen was in
> > the crease (actually, it looked like he was trying to fit in Irbes'
> > jersey). Chuq, that must have happened right in front of you; did you
> > catch the call? Moshe
> >
> ..
> ..
> I still don't understand the OT waveoff - if there's a delayed penalty,
> and the net is off, why continue play? The post the shot was wrapped
> in around was still on its mooring; don't new rules allow such goals
> if the net is off but the puck clearly crosses thru the 4x6 area? If
> it's waved off due to crease violation, the faceoff should be outside
> the zone, right? Where was it faced off? (Do I sound confused?)
>
I was watching the OT wave-off on Sports Channel and listening to KFRC and
they said that it was waved off because Jackson had whistled the play dead
when a Shark touched the puck and the net coming off wasn't really a factor.
Ed McGettigan
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 13:42 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 13:40:24 -0800
From: John Onusko
Subject: Re: Penalaty dispaly at the arena
> Does anyone know if they have a reason for not displaying the coincidental
> penalties at the arena? I counted tonight and there are 5 displays for
> penalties per team. It would seem that it would be extremely rare to fill
> all of these up without coincidental penalties being placed there. It
> would be nice to see at a glance how much longer so-and-so had to wait
> until the could become eligible for parole if you will...
>
I guess it depends on the situation. If the players can not come out of
the box until the next whistle after the penalty is up, then their time
is not put on the scoreboard. There is no need, because the offical
scorekeeper tells them when they can get out. However, if they can get
out when the time expires, then they usually put it on the scoreboard.
Before the 4 on 4 rule, coincidental penalties were never on the
scoreboard because both teams were 5 on 5. But now, that has changed. I
can't remember if during last night's 4 on 4 situation, the penalties
were displayed. I know that while the sharks were shorthanded, a
coincidental was called. Both teams were allowed to add a skater, thus
the penalties expired on a stoppage of play and they were not on the
scoreboard.
John
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 13:51 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 13:48:57 -0800
From: Mitch Wright
Subject: Re: Goals Waved Off in Pens Game
/* Douglas J Whisler [whisler%email@hidden ] writes: */
>> The goal that was waved off in OT was pretty clear; the net was
>> off the moorings for a few seconds before the shot. There was also a
>
>I still don't understand the OT waveoff - if there's a delayed penalty,
>and the net is off, why continue play? The post the shot was wrapped
>
With the delayed penalty, once the Sharks touch the puck play should stop.
I believe we touched the puck making the goal being off a moot point.
In any case, it's nice to see one go our way. I think we really should
have won, but a point is a point and the way our next 10 games look, it
will be tough to keep up the pace we set for ourselves... :-)
~mitch
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 14:03 PST 1993
From: "Jeffrey T. Johnson"
Subject: Re: Goals Waved Off in Pens Game
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 14:01:12 PST
> >What I *will* bet on is that Jackson is *NOT* a popular referee of the
> >Penguins!
>
> they sure didn't act like it. What's more, he's evidently an east coast ref
> making a swing with the teams out this way, because I don't believe I've
> seen him out here before.
Is he a rookie ref? Some of the folks in my area were shouting things
like "Jackson -- go back to the minors." I know I've never heard of him.
/jeff
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 16:51 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 16:51:44 PST
From: Pete St.Pierre (San Jose)
email@hidden, email@hidden, email@hidden, email@hidden,
email@hidden, email@hidden, email@hidden,
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Subject: Tickets for Friday (11/5) and Tuesday (11/9)
Friday, 11/5: Dallas at San Jose
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 17:19 PST 1993
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 17:15:42 PST
From: email@hidden (Darren Busing)
Subject: Re: Goals Waved Off in Pens Game
> I was watching the OT wave-off on Sports Channel and listening to KFRC and
> they said that it was waved off because Jackson had whistled the play dead
> when a Shark touched the puck and the net coming off wasn't really a factor.
>
> Ed McGettigan
>
>
Actually, I'd always wondered about the quick-touch whistle after a delayed
penalty. I recall last winter olympics there were a couple of similar cases,
where a touch (but not clean possession) was made, followed quickly
by a goal that was waved off.
It is a fluky situation, but it doesn't seem fair to bail
out a defense because of a penalty against it. But that's the way
them rules is written.
--Darren
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 19:48 PST 1993
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Irbe was right.
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 19:46:28 -0800 (PST)
> Irbe was right about the shot count. How else do you explain a 2 on 1 break
> with a shot hitting the goalpost and the Sharks ending up with no shots for
> the overtime? If that's not a shot, what is?
It does not count as a shot because it would not have gone in. As far as I
know, A save is counted when the goalie blocks a shot (WHILE IN THE CREASE)
that would have otherwise scored. Nothing else counts as a shot, except
for, obviously, a goal.
I have my theories about this in relation to Joseph facing "the most shots"
of any goalie last year. It seems to me that he stays in the crease more than
other goalies do, so he gets credit for a lot more saves. Vernon, by comparison,
comes outside the crease to block a lot of shots, which is why the shot totals
gainst him are considerably lower. Unfortunately, style plays a role in
save %.
-Arik
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 20:08 PST 1993
From: email@hidden (Bruce McKenzie)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 20:05:03 -0800
Subject: Pens game
There was waved-off goal by the Pens. (not the OT one). Why was it waved off?
IMHO, Mario was only playing at 30%. Slow, circling, lurking. Somehow, I didn't get
the usual intensity/focus that I remember.
---
Bruce McKenzie (email@hidden, NeXTMail OK)
"So..happy..ironing..for..my..friend..Stimpy!"
PDH Inc. 2635 N. First St. Ste 224, San Jose, CA 95134
voice: 408/428-9596, fax: 408/428-9599
Epicenter: Section 127, Row 22, Seats 13-14
* Opinions expressed are those of my own twisted mind, not my employer's *
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Nov 3 20:09 PST 1993
From: email@hidden
Subject: Videotape of Pens/Sharks?
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 20:07:55 -0800 (PST)
I would be interested in borrowing a video of the Sharks/Pens tie, if
anyone has one they'd be willing to lend out.
Thanks,
Arik
email@hidden
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 08:47 PST 1993
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 08:46:43 -0800
From: email@hidden (Ellon St. Croix)
Subject: Sharks CAN beat Dallas, here's why...
The Ducks beat the Stars last night in Anaheim 5-4 in regulation
play.
I am sure that if the Ducks can beat the Stars, San Jose should be
able to add 1 to the wins we have now.
Ellon St. Croix
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email@hidden Detroit Red Wings #2
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 09:50 PST 1993
From: Jeff Bandle
Subject: Re: Sharks tie Pens 3-3 (OT)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 9:48:47 PST
Well, just to throw my hat in the ring....
What a fun time and I'm so glad the Sharks got the point. It would have
been a real shame to have them play so well and not get anything out of
it. I was surprised about the crowd announcement...It said that the number
of tickets sold was 16,100+ which is about 1,000 less than capacity. The
place looked pretty full to me though, so where were the empty seats?
I know this is probably premature, but this kind of game is one that
may mark a turning point in an organization. Here was a game against
a team that has pounded the Sharks in the past and they played them
toe-to-toe for the entire 65 minutes...I really feel they are coming
together now and are gaining confidence each game. I'm especially
impressed with the play of the younger players...there will be letdowns
as all teams have, but they should be few and far between as opposed to
the norm last year.
I thought it was interesting the displays of frustration the Pens were
showing near the end of the game. I remember Jagr and Kevin Stevens
slamming their sticks on the ice on different occasions after Arturs
stoned them....looked like they were expecting a romp and got a rude
awakening...heh heh heh.
Mario looked good, but 75% is probably right. He had flashes of his
old self, but he seemed tentative a lot also....he is an amazing talent
though.
Now for tonights game...two things can happen....The Sharks will either
have a massive letdown and play terribly or they'll ride this to another
good game....I'm predicting the latter by a score of 5-3...with the
Sharks winning of course :-)...what do ya think?
TTFN
Jeff B.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 09:55 PST 1993
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 09:52:01 +0800
From: email@hidden (Robert Allen)
Subject: Re: Sharks Digest #98 (Thu Nov 04, 1993)
>>>The Sharks lost out a chance to win the game that they most badly wanted to
>> "lost out"? whaaa? "to win" ???
>>>win, as they blew a 3-2 third period lead after coming back from trailing 2-0,
>> "blew ... a lead" - the Pens were unstoppable that shift.
I've seen two people say this so far, and I disagree. The Sharks
have always had the problem of getting lazy/sloppy after getting
a particularly tough/important goal. The Pens game was no exception.
When the Sharks got the lead I said "They're going to give up the
next one." They always do. The Sharks are a couple of orders of
magnitude this year overall, but there are glimpses of the old Sharks
to be seen still:
* Losing focus at critical times.
* Bunching up in the D-zone, leaving opposing players unchecked.
Robert
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 10:06 PST 1993
Date: 4 Nov 93 10:04:00 PST
From: "MOSHE PREIL (22117)"
Subject: Two tickets for Friday night (Dallas)
For sale: Two tickets, section 209, $14 each.
As Ellon St. Croix points out, this clearly a game the Sharks
can win if the guys who played Tuesday night show up again.
Moshe
email@hidden
(408)-749-2116
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 10:37 PST 1993
Date: 4 Nov 1993 10:25:42 -0800
From: "Mike Hedblom"
Subject: Sharks digest
Mail*Link(r) SMTP Sharks digest
Would you please include me on the condensed/digest mail-list for Sharks.
Thanks!!!
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 11:28 PST 1993
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 11:03:09 +0800
From: email@hidden (Mike Eisler)
Subject: Devils/Sharks ticket for sale
I've got one ticket in section 213, row 14 (inside blue line of the
zone the Sharks attack twice) for the Devils game this Sunday at 2:00
pm. $18.00 (list == my cost).
If interested call 415/336-6611 or email email@hidden
-mre
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 12:20 PST 1993
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 12:18:59 -0800
From: email@hidden
Subject: Empty seats (was: Sharks tie Pens 3-3 (OT)
At 9:48 AM 11/4/93 -0800, Jeff Bandle wrote:
>Well, just to throw my hat in the ring....
>
>What a fun time and I'm so glad the Sharks got the point. It would have
>been a real shame to have them play so well and not get anything out of
>it. I was surprised about the crowd announcement...It said that the number
>of tickets sold was 16,100+ which is about 1,000 less than capacity. The
>place looked pretty full to me though, so where were the empty seats?
>
Well, I have been able to sneak down to 5-10 rows up from the blue line on
the penalty box side for many games this year. Just keep an eye on 3-4
seats in a row and if they stay empty through the first period you can
probably assume they are no-shows and up for grabs. The blue-coats seem
more interested in keeping folks out of the Club areas and away from the
glass, at least between periods. They do seem to return when the period
starts so you may have trouble if you go to the bathroom or otherwise leave
the area during the period. I manage to stay put and enjoy the view. If
you are interested in being seen on the big-screen overhead there are many
opportunities.
John Rocchio
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 12:43 PST 1993
From: Jeff Bandle
Subject: Re: Sharks tie Pens 3-3 (OT)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 12:41:12 PST
I wrote:
>
> Now for tonights game...two things can happen....The Sharks will either
> have a massive letdown and play terribly or they'll ride this to another
> good game....I'm predicting the latter by a score of 5-3...with the
> Sharks winning of course :-)...what do ya think?
>
> TTFN
>
> Jeff B.
>
Ooooopppss....I meant Friday night's game....my prediction still
holds though :-)....
TTFN
Jeff
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 13:24 PST 1993
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 13:23:08 PST
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: referee Dave Jackson and a 1988 incident
Someone was asking about Tuesday night's young referee. Well, Stan
Fischler, in last week's Hockey News, said:
"Keep an eye on NHL referee Dave Jackson. Jackson who worked just 27
big-league games going into this season, is the most authoritarian
young ref since Hall of Famer John Ashley and looms as the next
superstar among officials."
Authoritarian, with all the stuff he let slide? And Superstar?
Get a head, Fischler.
Later in the column, he says to expect a strike of at least two weeks.
"...when senior referee Andy Van Hellemond was asked by a Byrne Arena
off-ice official how negotiations are going, the ref replied, 'Tell
your boys to get their yellow sweaters out.' Van Hellemond was
referring to the 1988 episode when three off-ice officials replaced
the officials who walked out over the Jim Schoenfeld-Don Koharski
incident."
Does anyone here recall what the "Jim Schoenfeld-Don Koharski incident" was?
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 13:34 PST 1993
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 13:33:08 PST
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: referee Dave Jackson and a 1988 incident
>Authoritarian, with all the stuff he let slide? And Superstar?
>Get a head, Fischler.
If Fischler likes him, he's dead meat. I checked him out in the book, and
he's been a part time NHL ref since 1989, doing fill-in work (9 games
through 1991-1992, and about 18 last year). He probably spends the rest of
his time in the AHL somewhere, knowing the NHL development setup...
>Does anyone here recall what the "Jim Schoenfeld-Don Koharski incident" was?
do the words "You fat pig! Have another donut!" ring any bells?
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 13:41 PST 1993
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 13:40:12 -0800
From: email@hidden (Michael E. Larson)
Subject: Re: referee Dave Jackson and a 1988 incident
>
>Does anyone here recall what the "Jim Schoenfeld-Don Koharski incident" was?
There was a small disagreement in the officiating of a playoff game
invloving the NJ Devils and one of the NY teams (Devils for sure, the NY
team I am foggy about...) Anyways, after a period or one of the games in
the hallway leading from the ice to the locker rooms Shoenfeld told
Koharski to:
"Hey Koharski, Have another donut." There may have also been a pig line
too, but I can't remember...
This prompted the naming of the police officer in Wayne's World (the one by
Stan Mikita's donut shop) to be named Koharski...
That is the gist of it, but there are some missing spots.
-Larson
Michael E. Larson email@hidden.com
Apple Computer, Inc. AppleLink: LARSON
20525 Mariani Ave. MS 306-2CW
Cupertino, CA 95014 (408) 862-4800
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 13:58 PST 1993
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 13:57:39 PST
From: Laurie Sefton
Subject: Re: referee Dave Jackson and a 1988 incident
Ed, when dealing with Fischler, remember this mantra:
"He's on drugs, and he's not sharing..."
Repeat as needed.
The Schoenfeld/Koharski incident happened in the Stanley Cup playoffs a few
year back (4-5). Koharski has just called what Schoenfled felt was a
*really* bad game, and on their way out (shared tunnels off the ice--not a
good idea), Schoenfeld yelled to Koharski--"Have another doughnut--you
fat pig!."
At that point, depending on how you want to interpret the tape and the
description of the events, either Schoenfeld slipped and ran into Koharski,
or Schoenfeld slammed into Koharski on his own, or Kaoharski slipped and fell
into Schoenfeld's path. They played that tape for *days* on ESPN. Schoenfeld
received a suspension for the incident.
Laurie
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 14:29 PST 1993
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 14:27:06 PST
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: referee Dave Jackson and a 1988 incident
> Ed, when dealing with Fischler, remember this mantra:
> "He's on drugs, and he's not sharing..."
Not even with Don Cherry?
> The Schoenfeld/Koharski incident ...
> ...Schoenfeld yelled to Koharski--"Have another doughnut--you fat pig!."
That much I had heard about.
> ... into Schoenfeld's path. They played that tape for *days* on ESPN.
I didn't have access to ESPN then. :-( Thanks for recalling the details.
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| Internet: email@hidden |
| "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
| Epicenter 117/17/11-12 |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 16:03 PST 1993
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 15:54:08 PST
From: email@hidden (Girard Ramsay)
Subject: test - do not read
test, sorry.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 16:38 PST 1993
Subject: Re: referee Dave Jackson and a 1988 incident
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 93 16:28:15 PST
From: email@hidden
In message you write:
>oSomeone was asking about Tuesday night's young referee. Well, Stan
>Fischler, in last week's Hockey News, said:
>
>"Keep an eye on NHL referee Dave Jackson. Jackson who worked just 27
>big-league games going into this season, is the most authoritarian
>young ref since Hall of Famer John Ashley and looms as the next
>superstar among officials."
>
>Authoritarian, with all the stuff he let slide? And Superstar?
>Get a head, Fischler.
I thought he called a far better game than whatshisname who did
the Ducks game last Thursday. He may have let a lot of stuff slide,
but it looked like mostly borderline things to me. Well, maybe with
the exception of the really bad hold that Mario pulled on Geaudreau.
Overall I'd rather have Jackson than say, McGeough or Marouelli or
Shick.
-- archer
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 16:40 PST 1993
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 16:29:38 +0800
From: email@hidden (Mike Eisler)
Subject: Re: referee Dave Jackson and a 1988 incident
> From email@hidden Thu Nov 4 16:23 PST 1993
> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 13:57:39 PST
> From: Laurie Sefton
> The Schoenfeld/Koharski incident happened in the Stanley Cup playoffs a few
> year back (4-5). Koharski has just called what Schoenfled felt was a
> *really* bad game, and on their way out (shared tunnels off the ice--not a
> good idea), Schoenfeld yelled to Koharski--"Have another doughnut--you
> fat pig!."
>
> At that point, depending on how you want to interpret the tape and the
> description of the events, either Schoenfeld slipped and ran into Koharski,
> or Schoenfeld slammed into Koharski on his own, or Kaoharski slipped and fell
> into Schoenfeld's path. They played that tape for *days* on ESPN. Schoenfeld
> received a suspension for the incident.
Couple points of filler:
- Schoenfeld was coaching the Devils at the time
- The Devils then sought and got a court injunction to suspend
the suspension so that Schoenfeld could coach the next game
- So when Schoenfeld showed up for the next game in the playoff
series, that's when the referee and linesmen walked out.
They weren't protesting the "fat pig" insult, just that
Schoenfeld wasn't accepting the punishment.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 17:15 PST 1993
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 17:08:16 +0800
From: email@hidden (Michael Bothe)
Subject: ESPN2
If you're in Sunnyvale, check out CH 62. Lots of Hockey.
--
Michael
The truth is out there
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 17:30 PST 1993
Subject: Re: referee Dave Jackson and a 1988 incident
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 93 17:07:36 PST
From: email@hidden
In message Ed Rush sez:
>,> Ed, when dealing with Fischler, remember this mantra:
>> "He's on drugs, and he's not sharing..."
>
>Not even with Don Cherry?
>
Speaking of Don, does anyone besides me think that it would
amusing as hell if they had Don Cherry clips for some of the
pregame video at the Epicenter?
-- archer
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 17:39 PST 1993
Date: 4 Nov 1993 17:00:48 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: Re: referee Dave Jackson
Subject: Time:4:45 PM
OFFICE MEMO RE> referee Dave Jackson Date:11/4/93
>Schoenfeld received a suspension for the incident.
To finish off the story that others have started off so well:
The Devils (or Schoenfeld) appealed to the NHL to lift the suspension in time
for New Jersey's next game. The NHL agreed to lift the suspension temporarily,
and Schoenfeld was allowed to coach the Devils' next game.
When that game's officials (not Koharski's crew) learned that Schoenfeld had
been allowed back pending a final decision, they refused to officiate the game.
I believe this happened shortly before the game was supposed to start. The
NHL scrambled to find substitute officials for the game, but did not
immediately have uniforms for the subs. The substitutes, led by the owner of a
New York-area hockey rink, officiated the first period of the game while
wearing yellow jerseys.
This week's issue of The Hockey News has a story which goes into parts of the
incident in further detail, along with several more articles on the possible
strike, where the substitute officials may come from this time (and the union's
attempts to discourage them), and information on the current negotiations.
Interesting -- and quite discouraging -- information...
Dave Comstock
120/7/7-10
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 17:51 PST 1993
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 17:36:59 PST
From: email@hidden (Rob Eccles)
Subject: SHARKS CalTrain Schedule Change
Found the post below on usenet, and haven't seen it on
the mailing list. My apologies if this has already
been posted here.
Rob
From: email@hidden (Adrian Brandt)
Subject: CalTrain "Sharks" train to change
Message-ID: <1993Oct29.183609.27315@ntmtv>
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 18:36:09 GMT
CalTrain has announced that the last San Jose departure--train
81, at 10:45pm--will have its schedule changed effective Nov 1st.
In response to many requests from CalTrain-riding Sharks fans,
the train will be rescheduled to leave San Jose at 10:30pm.
This way Sharks fans don't have to wait so [long] for the train to
leave when Sharks games end on time.
CalTrain will continue it's policy of "holding" the train until
15 minutes after the hockey game ends. Note, this train will
only wait for hockey games, and not other arena events!
In response to high ridership, this is now a 7- or 8-car train
on hockey nights.
For CalTrain information, call (800) 660-4287.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 18:00 PST 1993
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 17:47:07 PST
From: kahului!email@hidden (Douglas J Whisler)
Subject: Re: referee Dave Jackson and a 1988 incident
> From: Laurie Sefton
> Subject: Re: a 1988 incident
>
> They played that tape for *days* on ESPN. Schoenfeld
> received a suspension for the incident.
>
> Laurie
But that's not the end of it, was it? (First off, was Schoenfeld ever
*not* on the Sabres? So I shall assume Sabres. If I'm wrong,
`sed s/Sabres/other/g`. )
The Sabres appealed the suspension, and put Schoenfeld in uniform the
next game. (or was he coaching by then?) The refs for that game then
basically said, he leaves or we leave. So there was the playoff game,
on (inter)national TV, waiting to see what would happen. The refs
walked, and refused to loan their zebra shirts. So, *someone* found 3
(local?) minor league officials in the building, found 'em skates, and
- 3 yellow practice jerseys to wear. Hence, "their yellow sweaters".
I remember Mark Emmerick (Devils' announcer) handling it rather well,
live on TV. I think the delay was ~30 min or more.
I sorta recall an emergency meeting twixt the comish, the owners, and
the refs was convened to sort this one out.
(And you thought the Kip Miller contract was bignews?)
- DW
(and for you *serious* hockey trivia fans - name the 3 substitutes...)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Nov 4 20:53 PST 1993
From: Nelson Lu
Subject: Re: referee Dave Jackson and a 1988 incident
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 20:43:39 -0800 (PST)
> I thought [Jackson] called a far better game than whatshisname who did
> the Ducks game last Thursday. He may have let a lot of stuff slide,
> but it looked like mostly borderline things to me. Well, maybe with
> the exception of the really bad hold that Mario pulled on Geaudreau.
>
> Overall I'd rather have Jackson than say, McGeough or Marouelli or
> Shick.
Yup... And I would put Andy Van Hellemond and, the worst of them, Denis Morel,
in that group as well...
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Nov 5 00:07 PST 1993
From: Nelson Lu
Subject: Re: referee Dave Jackson (fwd)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 23:57:09 -0800 (PST)
Dave Comstock writes:
> To finish off the story that others have started off so well:
>
> The Devils (or Schoenfeld) appealed to the NHL to lift the suspension in time
> for New Jersey's next game. The NHL agreed to lift the suspension temporarily,
> and Schoenfeld was allowed to coach the Devils' next game.
No, not quite. The Devils obtained a *temporary restraining order* from court,
I believe.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Nov 5 02:00 PST 1993
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 09:49:56 GMT
From: "Chris Lansdowne "
Subject: Writer(s) wanted
I put together bits of news about hockey 'over there' for the programme of my
local British League team the Swindon Wildcats. Most of the bits I use come
from what I can pick up from newsgroups and r.s.h. As most British fans can
get NHL scores I try to consentrate on background news and some of the lighter
bits. If anyone out there would like to help by sending me bits that I might be
able to use I'd be grateful. Profiles of individual players from your personal
point of view; stories from the fans; news from non NHL leagues (including
junior hockey) would all be welcome.
Chris
* SERC, Polaris Ho., North Star Ave., Swindon SN2 1ET *
* Rm 1163, Phone 0793 411175 *
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Nov 5 04:35 PST 1993
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 12:16 GMT
From: "Andrew T. Kuligowski"
Subject: re: Schoenfeld & Yellow Jerseys
My interpretation/recollection:
1) Yeah, I was born/raised outside of Buffalo - Schoenfeld, Gare, Suave, &
one other was traded to Detroit for McCourt, Foligno, 1st Round choice, &
maybe one other. End of season, Suave signed back with Buffalo as free
agent & Sabres gave pick back to Wings. (I think Schoenfeld moved on to
one other team, then retired, then came back to coach Sabres, got canned,
then moved on to NJ where incident took place.)
2) The way I saw the tape on ESPN - the reason for the appeal was that
Schoenfeld never touched Koharski. During the argument in a crowded hall-
way, one of the others (NJ asst coach?) reached over and either shoved
Koharski or tried to separate the 2 (intent unclear). Koharski started
shouting "You're Gone! You're Gone!" NHL suspended Schoeny, then Devils
appealed - not to NHL, but through US Judicial System. The reason Shoney
was behind bench is that NHL was under a Restraining Order. After the
season was over, the Board of Governors passed a rule that said anyone
obtaining such an order that cannot follow it up with a permanent action
is subject to $100,000 fine. (Who says that the NHL owners never learn
their lesson - insert combination grin/sigh here.)
Anyway, out here in Tampa Bay, we've got a fantastic goalie with a competent
defensive unit and no offense whatsoever (2.12 goals per game, 3 shutouts
already). Sound familiar to anyone on the other bay?
P.S. Lou, Knoxville is in Eastern Tennessee - home of U of T Volunteers.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Nov 5 09:21 PST 1993
From: "Jeffrey T. Johnson"
Subject: From the SF Comical: Sharks Resume Pursuit of Kozlov
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 9:09:57 PST
Summarizing....
The Sharks have renewed their effort to sign Kozlov, who has 11 goals in 18
games for Dyanmo Moscow, helping them to a 14-4 record (2nd in the league).
He's be quoted as saying via a translator "I still want to play in the Olympics
*and* then NHL." Lombardi was quoted as saying imagine that kid being exposed
to those plays Makarov and Larionov are making. I talked to his agent this
week and am interested in pursuing it." Kozlov's agent, Paul Theofanous, is
to be in Moscow this week, and Lombardi expects him to call on Sunday after he
had spoken to Kozlov. Lombardi is still guarded about the prospect of signing
Kozlov, but has already taken the step of sending a letter to the NHL to get
an interpretation of a rule that states a rookie can only participate in a
given season if he has signed a contract before it begins. Lombardi believes
the rule was intended to cover North American players only, and doesn't apply
to Eurpoeans. Plus, since Bettman has twice ruled against us, he might be
helpful to a team in a major market that is trying to improve. "Maybe he owes
us one," said Lombardi.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Nov 5 09:25 PST 1993
From: Craig S. Cirimele
Subject: A day at the Arena
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 9:14:23 PST
Though I've been to every home game, and also attended the open house, my
work group went to the Arena yesterday for the "official" guided tour. It
was very interesting and I got to go to the "penthouse" level which I nor-
mally don't have access to and to the visitors dressing rooms, and the "star"
dressing rooms, which I didn't see at the open house.
The tour guide said the Sharks hate skating through the Sharks head before
games. She said they feel they are professionals, and don't play in Holly-
wood, but they realize the fans like it so they put up with it.
Also, they no longer take people up in the rafters after having some guests
"freeze" after walking onto the catwalks (due to the height).
The best part was an hour before the tour, we got to watch the Sharks practice.
I've never been to a practice before, and didn't realize how intense they
could be. Waite was in net, and they had the four line combos taking turns
being offense and defense while playing "half-court" hockey. (I guess Irbe
has the flu and most likely will not play tonight) Jeff Odgers said a few
unkind words and busted his stick over the goalies net after Waite made a
save on him. Another Shark, I didn't recognize his face (they were wearing
jerseys with no numbers), said "Yeah! F***ing Yeah!" when he scored a goal
(it was the only goal we saw while there; Waite looked really good).
It was a fun time!
Craig
204/13/1-4
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Nov 5 09:41 PST 1993
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 09:30:46 PST
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Sharks vs. Penguins
Well, we've seen the game through our eyes; now here's the same game
through the eyes of the rec.sport.hockey net contact for the Penguins:
In article , "Matthew T. Keating" writes:
|> The Penguins' 14 game road trip got off to a suprising start Tuesday
|> night. With star center Mario Lemieux back in the lineup, the Penguins
|> were still forced to come from in the third period to tie the Sam Jose
|> Sharks, 3-3.
|>
|> As has been the pattern of late, the Pens relied on Tom Barrasso to
|> keep them in the game in the early going. Barrasso responded by holding
|> the Sharks scoreless in the first. This allowed the Pens to escape with
|> a 1-0 lead on a Kevin Stevens goal.
|>
|> Both Barrasso and Arturs Irbe played very well in the second period,
|> allowing only shots by Mario Lemieux (1) and former Islander, Jeff
|> Norton, to elude them.
|>
|> In third, an inspired Sharks team took a 3-2 lead on goals by
|> Gaudreau and Craigwell, the latter coming with only five minutes
|> remaining. Ulf Samuellson saved the Pens from a humbling loss by
|> scoring his first of the season 32 seconds later.
|>
|> Neither team was able to score in the overtime period.
|>
|> Eddie Johnston must have had some choice words for the flightless
|> birds after their tie in San Jose, because the Penguins looked like
|> quite a different team when they played Buffalo in Sacramento on
|> Wednesday.
|>
|> Mario Lemieux was once again sidelined with a stiff back, but the
|> Penguins offense exploded without him, as the Pens downed the Sabres 6-2.
|>
|> Pittsburgh trailed 2-1 after one, but Jaromir Jagr and Tom Barrasso
|> sprakled in the final two periods. Jagr scored is seventh and eigth
|> goals of the season (giving him 101 goals for his career), while
|> assisting on two others. Barrasso turned aside 18 Buffalo shots in the
|> final two periods on route to his fifth win of the season.
|>
|> With the victory over Buffalo, the Pens record stands at 8-4-2.
|> Their 18 points gives them a tie with Montreal for first in the
|> Northeast division, five points ahead of third-place Quebec. Both teams
|> are two points behind the Philadelphia Flyers for first overall in the
|> East.
|>
|> Box Scores for 11/2 and 11/3:
|>
|> Pittsburgh 1 1 1 0--3
|> San Jose 0 1 2 0--3
|> First Period--1, Pittsburgh, Stevens 4 (Lemieux), 17:46.
|> Second Period--2, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 1 (Stevens, Tocchet),
|> pp, 14:35. 3, San Jose, Norton 2 (Garpenlov, Makarov), 17:06.
|> Third Period--4, San Jose, Gaudreau 1 (Errey), 2:59. 4, San
|> Jose, Craigwell 2 (Errey, Sykora), 15:01. 6, Pittsburgh, Samuelsson
|> 1 (Tocchet, Lemieux), 15:32.
|> Overtime--No Scoring.
|> Shots on goal--Pittsburgh 8-11-15-4--38. San Jose 9-12-9-0--30.
|> Power-play Conversions--Pittsburgh 6-1. San Jose 4-0.
|> Goaltenders--Pittsburgh, Barrasso. San Jose, Irbe. A--16,162.
|>
|>
|>
|> Pittsburgh 1 2 3--6
|> Buffalo 2 0 0--2
|> First Period--1, Pittsburgh, Tocchet 4 (Jennings), 5:09. 2,
|> Buffalo, Mogilny 5 (Hawerchuk, Fuhr), pp, 8:13. 3, Buffalo, Simpson
|> 6 (Mogilny, Lafontaine), 11:22. Penalties-- Ramsey, Pit (interference),
|> 2:59; Ramsey, Pit (holding), 6:40; Smehlik, Buf (holding), 8:55; Moller,
|> Buf (hooking), 13:35; Murphy, Pit (hooking), 14:54; Moller, Buf (slashing),
|> 15:37; Stevens, Pit (double instigator minor) instigator major, gross
|> misconduct, game misconduct), 17:43; Sutton, Buf (fighting major),
|> 17:43.
|> Second Period--4, Pittsburgh, Jagr 7 (unassisted) 2:00. 5,
|> Pittsburgh, Mullen 6 (Jagr), 6:05. Penalties--May, Buf (holding), 2:55;
|> Murphy, Pit (slashing), 8:52; Buffalo bench, served by Simpson (too
|> many men on the ice), 11:21; Tocchet, Pit (holding), 16:28; McSorley,
|> Pit (roughing), 18:25; Wood, Buf (roughing), 18:25.
|> Third Period--6, Pittsburgh, Jagr 8 (Brown, Paek), 5:06. 7,
|> Pittsburgh, D Brown 4 (Tocchet, Murphy), pp, 6:35. 8, Pittsburgh, Francis
|> 3 (Jagr, Taglianetti), 8:08. Penalties--Bodger, Buf (holding), 1:30;
|> Smehlik, Buf (hooking), 6:25; Hawerchuk, Buf (slashing), 12:06; Tocchet,
|> Pit (holding), 18:52.
|> Shots on goal--Pittsburgh 12-14-7--33. Buffalo 11-10-8--29.
|> Power-play Conversions--Pittsburgh 8-1. Buffalo 8-1. A--10,
|>
|> Matt Keating
|> rsh contact for the Penguins
|>
|>
|>
--
Alan Hepburn "If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens,
National Semiconductor how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden George Bernard Shaw
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Nov 5 10:52 PST 1993
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 10:49:23 -0800
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: NJ Tix?
Anybody want to part with some cheap seats for Sunday afternoon's game?
thx
gak
???/??/??&??
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Nov 5 11:43 PST 1993
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 11:33:19 -0800
From: email@hidden (Bill St. Croix)
Subject: Re: A day at the Arena
Craig S. Cirimele writes:
>
>The tour guide said the Sharks hate skating through the Sharks head before
>games. She said they feel they are professionals, and don't play in Holly-
>wood, but they realize the fans like it so they put up with it.
This is one fan that thinks the sharks head should go! Just like "AirShark"!
I really don't care for either of them. I really do LOVE the video that they
created though! Now I just need to get it into a quicktime movie! That's
in the works....
Bill
************************************************************************
Bill St. Croix Detroit Red Wings #1
Email: email@hidden San Jose Sharks #2
"The Spectacular" San Jose Arena 104-24-3/4 Michigan Football #3
Rob Zettler Fan Club Let Rob Play!
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Nov 5 11:53 PST 1993
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 11:52:25 PST
From: Laurie Sefton
Subject: Re: A day at the Arena
re: Shark head--As of last game, the giant shark head had a few, ahem,
technical difficulties. They could get the thing to go to the ice, but
it stalled going back up. This doesn't bode well for its continued use. The
last thing you want to happen is for the game to be delayed while the staff
tries to figure out how haul a chunk of fibreglass up off the playing
surface.
re: tonight--Since it looks like Waite is going to play (finally! I thought
he was going to be a road goalie), I'm hoping that if the crowd can't be
enthusiastic, they can at least be polite. I have memories of Gary Smith and
Gerry DeJardins being booed at the stadium because everyone wanted to see
Esposito play. That is *not* acceptable behavior.
Laurie
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Nov 5 11:57 PST 1993
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 11:54:50 -0800
From: email@hidden (Jim Liskovec)
Subject: Tix4sale - Dec/Jan
The following tickets are available for Dec and Jan. Sect 214,
row 8, Shark attack zone for two periods. The seats are on the
side of the arena opposite the benches. $28 seats, $56 for the
pair (face value)
Wed Dec 15 St Louis
Thu Jan 6 Detroit
Sat Jan 8 Team USA ($46 for the pair)
Sat Jan 15 Hartford
Tue Jan 25 NY Rangers
Only two tickets per game. Please respond by e-mail or
(415)969-5542. Thanks. Jim Liskovec
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Nov 5 12:21 PST 1993
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 11:22:58 -0800
From: email@hidden (Erik Schwartz)
Subject: Re: From the SF Comical: Sharks Resume Pursuit of Kozlov
This would be great. The one piece the sharks are still missing is a big
strong forward with good hands who can get inside and put in rebounds. And
now that we're shooting there are some rebounds.
When are the olympics?
According to the Murky Irbe has the flu and we'll get Waite tonight, I hope
he's all there tonight. The (North) Stars will be pissed off that they lost
to the ducks and will be looking to beat up an expasion team.
>Summarizing....
>The Sharks have renewed their effort to sign Kozlov, who has 11 goals in 18
>games for Dyanmo Moscow, helping them to a 14-4 record (2nd in the...
Erik
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Erik Schwartz ICTV Inc.
email@hidden (408) 562-9200
Epicenter 223/6/12-13 It's not easy, being teal...
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Nov 5 13:48 PST 1993
Date: 5 Nov 93 13:47:00 -0800
From: email@hidden
Subject: CalTrain Sunday
I just called CalTrain to find out if there are any special arrangements for
the Sharks game at 2:00 on Sunday. On Sunday's the train is normally
scheduled to leave at 4:00 (too early) and 6:00 (too late). As of now
there are no additional trains for game.
The person to whom I spoke suggested that I call CalTrain to make them
aware of the problem. She gave me the name of the person to call and I
left a voice-mail message.
To be continued ...
Rich Strauber
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Nov 5 14:14 PST 1993
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 13:57:48 PST
From: email@hidden (Rob Eccles)
Subject: SHARKS: Gaetan Duchense on KLIV
I heard the tail end of an interview with Gaetan Duchense on KLIV 1590
AM this morning. So, it should be repeated at ~5:50 pm today.
Something to listen to on the way to the game!
Rob
203/7/2
GO SHARKS! Game night!
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Nov 5 14:35 PST 1993
From: email@hidden (Patrick MacRoberts)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 14:34:02 -0800
"Re: A day at the Arena" (Nov 5, 11:33am)
Subject: Re: A day at the Arena
%>She said they feel they are professionals, and don't play in
%>Hollywood, but they realize the fans like it so they put up with it.
They realize wrong. The fans don't like it. Hockey dilettantes like
it. The wine-n-cheese crowd likes it. It was cute once. (As an
aside, I heard the plan is to ace it when they need to monkey around
in the catwalks to do lighting for a concert...)
% This is one fan that thinks the sharks head should go! Just like
% "AirShark"!
Well, I wouldn't go that far. I like AirShark. Goofy, yes. Silly,
yes. But it doesn't screw up the pre-game warmup and wouldn't scare
the bejeezus out of me if it fell...
% Rob Zettler Fan Club Let Rob Play!
-Patrick "Now if they could only get rid of Rob Zett"
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Nov 5 14:44 PST 1993
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 14:42:14 PST
From: Laurie Sefton
Subject: Re: A day at the Arena: "Wine and Cheese Club"
Hey--you know what? I'm *really* tired of being thrown into an alleged group
of "dilletante" non-knowledgeable hockey fans because of where I sit.
I sit 4 rows from the ice, and guess what? That's the end result of
getting in ticket orders, being in the "Bring Hockey to San Jose" group,
and saving up the cash so I can enjoy sitting next to the action. I
bloody well *earned* those seats. I've been watching and playing hockey
longer than some of you have been alive, so you can just cut the "ignorant
'wine and cheese' crowd" garbage, hein?
You people who whinge and moan and accuse those of us who have club seats
seem to be in need of the education.
Laurie
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Nov 5 14:49 PST 1993
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 14:47:28 PST
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: A day at the Arena
>They realize wrong. The fans don't like it. Hockey dilettantes like
>it. The wine-n-cheese crow