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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 07:54 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 07:48:48 PDT
From: email@hidden (Dane Collins)
Subject: looking for hockey news
Does anyone know of a radio station/program in the area which covers
hockey news? It seems that KNBR specifically avoids hockey and while
I sometimes hear 10-15 second bits of hockey news here and there I have
not been able to find anything more substantial.
--dane
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 08:15 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 08:14:39 PDT
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Re: looking for hockey news
Dane asks "Does anyone know of a radio station/program in the area which covers
hockey news? It seems that KNBR specifically avoids hockey and while
I sometimes hear 10-15 second bits of hockey news here and there I have
not been able to find anything more substantial."
Well, during the season KNTV Ch 11 does a marginally acceptable job
of covering the Sharks. They show the usual highlight snips, aka
fight scenes, from other games around the league, but rarely, if ever,
show IHL or other leagues. When the KC Blades do something exceptional
they might throw that in as filler.
I have yet to find a radio station that covers hockey in a way that
I would call comprehensive. Even KNEW, the station that carries the
Sharks games, usually doesn't bother to announce scores the following
morning.
The best place I've found for comprehensive hockey news is The Hockey
News. Although the news is old by the time it gets to the mailbox, they
have a story on every team in the NHL, with a page devoted to each of
the minor leagues, and college hockey as well. Their stats are hard
to beat as well. For up-to-date news it's hard to beat Internet! Both
this mailing list, and the rec.sport.hockey newsgroup can be enlightening,
although sometimes it's hard to wade through all the "kids" on r.s.h.
yelling at each other about who's the best player, or best team, or
whatever else they decide is the most important thing to argue about
today!
This mailing list is probably your best source for up-to-the-minute
news, background information, and friendly socialising. The members
here are all professional; I can't remember any time when a discussion
got derailed into a shouting contest. Some of us even play, or coach,
hockey so there is a lot of knowledge here (I would hazard a guess that
MOST of us play, but I don't think Laurie has taken a survey of our
demographics so I can't say for certain. I do know that in my family of
4, 3 of us play regularly, and I help coach in the youth hockey program
with occasional help from my older son!).
Anyway, if you find a radio or TV station that has substantial hockey
coverage, let us know!
---
Alan Hepburn "A man doesn't know what he knows
National Semiconductor until he knows what he doesn't know."
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden Thomas Carlyle
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 08:47 PDT 1993
From: Craig Cirimele
Subject: Re: looking for hockey news
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 8:45:01 PDT
>
> The best place I've found for comprehensive hockey news is The Hockey
> News.
You forgot about the San Jose Mercury News! :-) Speaking of the Mercury,
todays paper says the Sharks are listening to offers for Gaetz, and Doug
Wilson underwent arthroscopic knee surgery on Monday (he hopes to be ready
by September).
Craig
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 08:56 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 08:54:56 PDT
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Re: looking for hockey news
Craig tells a great joke:
I said:
>
> The best place I've found for comprehensive hockey news is The Hockey
> News.
and Craig replied:
You forgot about the San Jose Mercury News! :-)
Mentioning the Mercury News in context with "comprehensive" is the
funniest thing I've heard today!!!!
---
Alan Hepburn "A man doesn't know what he knows
National Semiconductor until he knows what he doesn't know."
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden Thomas Carlyle
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 09:58 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 09:56:08 PDT
From: Chuq itsbaseballseason Von Rospach
Subject: Re: looking for hockey news
Now, don't you folks all have heart attacks or something, but I'm going to
say something that's going to make you wonder about my sanity:
>You forgot about the San Jose Mercury News! :-)
>Mentioning the Mercury News in context with "comprehensive" is the
>funniest thing I've heard today!!!!
Since I've been fairly critical about the Murky at times, I do want to note
that I think that their coverage has improved. It's not what I WANT it to be
(what I WANT is the Vancouver Sun). But it's better, there's less rhetoric,
fewer bumbles and more data. They're covering the offseason pretty well, IMHO.
I haven't had much to complain about.
In fact, the Link Gaetz article this morning (trade rumors) was on the front
page of the sports section. During baseball season. That is a
significant event, if you think about it.
I think what we're seeing is a paper that's figuring out (a) how to cover
hockey, and (b) what level of interest there is about the team. Given that
they were starting from scratch when the Sharks showed up and they had no
idea if anybody CARED enough for them to dedicate resources and ink to them,
it's been a learning experience for them (as well as for us).
So I don't think they're doing so badly. I know with my other team (the San
Jose Giants, minor league), the Merc has significantly improved their coverage
this year, both in timeliness and the amount of coverage.
Since I've been critical of them, I think it's only fair to praise them when
I think they're doing right, and I think they are for the most part. Where I
might have rated them a C- before, I think they now rate a B- or so.
And while we've criticised Weaver a bit for his draft predictions and stuff,
there were very few things I saw that were more accurate. The stuff in THN,
for instance, was fairly laughable, and if the 'experts' were that far off,
it's hard to complain about Weaver, no?
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 12:21 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 09:13:38 PDT
From: email@hidden (Rob Eccles)
Subject: Re: looking for hockey news
> Does anyone know of a radio station/program in the area which covers
> hockey news? It seems that KNBR specifically avoids hockey and while
> I sometimes hear 10-15 second bits of hockey news here and there I have
> not been able to find anything more substantial.
I don't think such an animal exists around here. I listen to KLIV 1690AM
for news, and they are very pro-Sharks. They do have a weekly interview
with one of the Sharks. It is aired twice a day on Fridays during
commute hours. But the depth of their coverage is extremely limited.
Last year during the losing streak (you know the one I mean) they
solicited faxes from listeners to help the Sharks morale and delivered
it to them on the road. As far as I know, they were the only member
of the media that was not bashing them at that time. Consequently, I
have some loyalty to KLIV.
Rob
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 12:40 PDT 1993
From: "Jeffrey T. Johnson"
Subject: Re: looking for hockey news
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 10:59:10 PDT
> You forgot about the San Jose Mercury News! :-) Speaking of the Mercury,
> todays paper says the Sharks are listening to offers for Gaetz, and Doug
> Wilson underwent arthroscopic knee surgery on Monday (he hopes to be ready
> by September).
For those of us who have to suffer with the SF Comical, naybody want to
elaborate on these Gaetz trade rumors.
--
Jeff Johnson | Cisco Systems, Inc | voice: (415) 688-7789
Software Engineer | 1525 O'Brien Drive | fax: (415) 688-4575
Router Management | Menlo Park, CA 94025 | email: jjohnson@cisco.com
The difference between ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 12:40 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1993 10:56 PST
From: "Don Garka, email@hidden, 415-422-1843, L-262"
Subject: NEWs
> Craig tells a great joke:
>
> I said:
> >
> > The best place I've found for comprehensive hockey news is The Hockey
> > News.
>
> and Craig replied:
>
> You forgot about the San Jose Mercury News! :-)
> Mentioning the Mercury News in context with "comprehensive" is the
> funniest thing I've heard today!!!!
>
> ---
>
> Alan Hepburn "A man doesn't know what he knows
> National Semiconductor until he knows what he doesn't know."
> Santa Clara, Ca
> email@hidden Thomas Carlyle
>
I have yet to see the San Jose Mercury News but I can guarantee it is
certainly more comprehensive than the TriValley Herald or the Tracy press...
which is what some of us that live out in the sticks are stuck with. The
info about Wilson & Gaetz is certainly hasn't shown up in our lousy papers.
I haven't seen who we picked up in the second phase of the expansion draft
or has it happened yet???
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Don Garka LLNL email@hidden
PO Box 808 mail Stop L-262 510-422-1843
Livermore, CA. 94550 FAX 510-423-8193
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 12:47 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 10:36:03 PDT
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Re: looking for hockey news
Chuq writes "Now, don't you folks all have heart attacks or something,
but I'm going to say something that's going to make you wonder about
my sanity:
>You forgot about the San Jose Mercury News! :-)
>Mentioning the Mercury News in context with "comprehensive" is the
>funniest thing I've heard today!!!!
Since I've been fairly critical about the Murky at times, I do want to note
that I think that their coverage has improved. It's not what I WANT it to be
(what I WANT is the Vancouver Sun). But it's better, there's less rhetoric,
fewer bumbles and more data. They're covering the offseason pretty well, IMHO.
I haven't had much to complain about."
Since I'm the one who brought this up, I should jump in here. Actually
I have to agree with Chuq. The MN has indeed improved tremendously in
the last two years. Prior to the Sharks' arrival you could find the
standings and maybe some game summaries hidden on the stats page during
the season, and in the off-season hockey ceased to exist. This year
they did have IHL standings, and regular coverage of hockey throughout
the season, and even into the off-season. The articles are becoming
more accurate, and more in-depth. I prefer Ann Killion's style to Mike
Weaver's though.
They do make mistakes once in a while. The one that sticks in my mind
was last season when Chicago came to town for a game. In the box
where they profile the teams on game day, they had a decent appraisal
of the Blackhawks, headed by the team logo: a prominent "CH" in red,
white, and blue! I guess they decided the CH stood for Chicago?
They still don't cover amateur, or youth, hockey, but that's our own
fault for not deluging them with requests, and stories.
--
Alan Hepburn "A man doesn't know what he knows
National Semiconductor until he knows what he doesn't know."
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden Thomas Carlyle
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 12:56 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 10:21:27 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: looking for hockey news
> From: Craig Cirimele :
> You forgot about the San Jose Mercury News! :-) Speaking of the Mercury,
> todays paper says the Sharks are listening to offers for Gaetz, and Doug
> Wilson underwent arthroscopic knee surgery on Monday (he hopes to be ready
> by September).
Twice already I've heard KCBS mention that the Sharks have five teams
interested in Link Gaetz. (Only he first time did he mention which teams,
and I was still mostly asleep. I do remember that Edmonton was one of them,
and [I think] the Rangers.) They often seem to get interesting tidbits
from the morning Murky-Snooze.
> From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn):
> Mentioning the Mercury News in context with "comprehensive" is the
> funniest thing I've heard today!!!!
In an absolute sense, I have to agree. In a relative sense, though,
they do seem to have the most comprehensive coverage available here
within the same week as the news event.
Certainly the Hockey News is worth its steep price for the depth and
authoritativeness of its coverage, but certainly not for timeliness.
On another topic: y'know that Mervin's advert where the store is having
a sale and the woman is there at sunrise, chanting "Open, open, open!"?
That's the way I feel about the Epicenter.
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| Ed Rush, not speaking for Metaphor, Mtn. View, CA |
| Internet: email@hidden |
| "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
| Sharks: Epicenter Section 117 for 1993-4 |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 13:03 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 13:00:59 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: looking for hockey news
>For those of us who have to suffer with the SF Comical, naybody want to
>elaborate on these Gaetz trade rumors.
Basically, just that the Sharks are entertaining offers, and a few teams
have expressed interest in either working him out or talking to him.
Edmonton was mentioned along with three other (rumored) teams that I don't
remember offhand.
This, of course, might be why the Sharks protected Link. Not to play him,
but so the Ducks or Panthers wouldn't grab him to trade him off when the
Sharks could get the player in return instead. Since (frankly) we didn't
have to de-protect anyone we'd really miss to keep him, even if the market
value is pretty small (and given his injuries I can't imagine we'll get
anything major out of a team), better we get the player than Eisner.
I keep looking at proposed rosters for next year, and frankly, I keep
finding that I can't convince myself to put Link on them. IF we go to three
forward lines some specialty/role players, or maybe in the press box to be
used with the larger, more physical teams, but I'm just not convinced he's
got a day-to-day position in the Sharks next year.
(and I LIKE Gaetz, and I really want him to make it somewhere. But that's
different from wanting the best team on the ice in teal)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 13:04 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 13:02:32 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: NEWs
>I haven't seen who we picked up in the second phase of the expansion draft
>or has it happened yet???
The entire draft is done. The Sharks declined to pick up anyone in the
cross-polination phase because of costs (relative to talent. It would have
cost about $100K or so to grab a player). I THINK the only player grabbed on
cross-polination was Healy, who was immediately traded.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 13:26 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 13:24:15 -0700
From: email@hidden (Kevin McCallum)
Subject: Re: looking for hockey news
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>From: "Jeffrey T. Johnson"
>Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 10:59:10 PDT
>To: email@hidden (Shark Bytes)
>Subject: Re: looking for hockey news
>
>> You forgot about the San Jose Mercury News! :-) Speaking of the
>> Mercury, todays paper says the Sharks are listening to offers for Gaetz,
>> and Doug Wilson underwent arthroscopic knee surgery on Monday (he hopes
>> to be ready by September).
>
>For those of us who have to suffer with the SF Comical, naybody want to
>elaborate on these Gaetz trade rumors.
>
>--
> Jeff Johnson | Cisco Systems, Inc | voice: (415) 688-7789
Yeah, that would be great if someone could give a complete
rundown on the article & what sources it sites, for those of
us up north here.
=Kev.
=====================================================================
Kevin McCallum Innovative Interfaces
email@hidden Berkeley, CA 94710
"Moe is their leader!" (H.Simpson) Tech Support Services
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 13:35 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 13:32:18 PDT
From: Laurie Sefton
Subject: enclosed note....
f
>From email@hidden Fri Jul 9 12:36 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1993 17:53:48 GMT
From: Brenda Pobanz
Subject: Re: looking for hockey news
Status: R
Living in Tracy, I get the Tri-Vallery Herald. There is
no worse coverage of the Sharks to be found. If they
can't trash the Sharks, they write nothing at all. I'm
usually pretty happy to see a copy of the Merc.
On a different subject, does anyone know of a place that
sells used hockey equipment? I need to come up with the
works pretty quickly and can't afford to get new all at
once.
BMP
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 13:35 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 13:32:44 PDT
From: Laurie Sefton
Subject: enclosed note
>From email@hidden Fri Jul 9 12:37 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 10:53:15 PDT
From: email@hidden (Robert Diebold)
Subject: Re: looking for hockey news
Status: R
Before you start feeling sorry for yourselves for having to rely upon the San
Jose Mercury News for hockey information you should try having to rely upon the
L.A. Times! The local team goes to the Stanley Cup finals, and its star player
threatens to retire, not to mention (which they hardly did) the draft and the
new team just down the road. The Times' coverage is abysmal.
Would some kind soul out there let me know what the Sharks did with the rest of
their draft choices; I only found out yesterday that they took Viktor Kozlov
with their first - this news made me very happy. Also, has the trade with
Chicago been completed; if so, who was sent to Chicago? Respond via Email if
appropriate. Thank you.
Robert Diebold
email@hidden
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 13:51 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 13:49:17 PDT
From: Laurie Sefton
Subject: administrivia
We now have over 160 entries on the list! Some of these are mail exploders,
so I don't know how many live bodies are on the other end.
If you want to send something to the list, send it to:
email@hidden
If you want to ask me somehting about list mechanics, send to:
email@hidden
I think I have caught all the oopsies, but I get a *lot* of mail, and I have a
*lot* to do these days.... which brings us to....
If you see the list go off the air sometime in the near future, wait a day
before asking about stuff. It is likely that Apple will shut down the mailers
when the layoffs happen. This is for the usual reasons. The mailers wil be
back on the air ASAP.
Of course, we do our monthly backups this weekend anyway, so don't run
screaming into the streets if you can't get through on Sunday.... :-)
Laurie
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 13:55 PDT 1993
From: Craig Cirimele
Subject: Re: looking for hockey news
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 13:52:02 PDT
>
> For those of us who have to suffer with the SF Comical, naybody want to
> elaborate on these Gaetz trade rumors.
>
Here is the article from the Mercury News:
The Sharks are on the verge of cutting their ties with troubled defensman
Link Gaetz.
Sharks director of hockey operations Dean Lombardi has been testing the
trade waters and said Thursday that four teams have expressed an interest
in interviewing Gaetz, who is as well known for his frequent run-ins with
the law as he is for his playing abilities.
Lombardi wouldn't name the teams, but a source said the New York Rangers,
Detroit Red Wings, Boston Bruins, Edmonton Oilers and Washington Capitals
have made recent inquiries about Gaetz, who was one of the NHL's most
intimidating players during the 1991-'92 season but who missed last season
because of impaired motor skills resulting from head injuries he suffered
in a 1992 automobile accident.
Gaetz was claimed by the Sharks from the Minnesota North Stars during the
1991 dispersal draft in which the Sharks stocked their original roster,
and he became a popular player with Bay Area fans when he displayed great
fighting ability and led the Sharks in penalty minutes during the 1991-'92
season.
But Gaetz has been a headache for management because of his off-ice antics,
which have included incidents of shooting out a church window in Minnesota
in 1991, and drunken driving in San Mateo last September.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 14:09 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 14:07:15 PDT
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Used Equipment
It has been asked:
On a different subject, does anyone know of a place that
sells used hockey equipment? I need to come up with the
works pretty quickly and can't afford to get new all at
once.
In the South SF Bay area, try Play it Again Sports on El
Camino in Santa Clara (or is it Sunnyvale?). They have
a small selection of used gear. They also have a store
over on Blossom Hill Rd but I've never been in that one
so I can't say if their selection is better or worse.
You can also talk to Brian over at Power Play Hockey on
El Camino. Although he's not in the used gear business
he might know of some leads for you. I've heard a lot of
people who don't like his store, but he's always treated
me fine, and I do most of my business with him.
I also saw an ad on TV Wednesday night (I think) for Any
Mountain. They're having a sale right now and supposedly
have hockey equipment at 20-40% off. I haven't checked
their stock to see exactly what they cary, but it might be
worth a call.
Finally, drop in at the rinks and look on their bulletin boards;
somebody is usually selling off used gear at at least one rink
on any given day!
Good luck!
---
Alan Hepburn "A man doesn't know what he knows
National Semiconductor until he knows what he doesn't know."
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden Thomas Carlyle
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 15:13 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Mark Spiegel)
Subject: Epicenter User's Guide
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 15:10:33 PDT
Ed Rush sez:
>
> On another topic: y'know that Mervin's advert where the store is having
> a sale and the woman is there at sunrise, chanting "Open, open, open!"?
> That's the way I feel about the Epicenter.
>
In yesterday's (this weeks) Metro they had an ad asking for
advertisements for their Epicenter User's Guide. (well
_THEY_ call it the San Jose Arena User's Guide).
Their deadline for advertisments is August 6th, so the issue
shoudl be out a week or two after that.
This User's Guide is supposed to be a complete guide to
- getting to the arena
- events at the arena
- everything you wanted to know abou the arena
- restaurants, bars ,etc near the arean
- etc
mark
just say
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______________________________________________________________________________
Mark Spiegel email@hidden Cow Palace:108/K/8-13 Epicenter: ?
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 15:22 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Mark Spiegel)
Subject: Re: looking for hockey news
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 15:20:22 PDT
Rob sez:
>
> I listen to KLIV 1690AM for news, and they are very pro-Sharks. They
> do have a weekly interview with one of the Sharks. It is aired
> twice a day on Fridays during
^^^^^^^^^^^
I missed it this morning (morning
airing is 7:50 right?)
What is the other time the
interview is aired?
> commute hours. But the depth of their coverage is extremely limited.
>
> Last year during the losing streak (you know the one I mean) they
> solicited faxes from listeners to help the Sharks morale and delivered
> it to them on the road. As far as I know, they were the only member
> of the media that was not bashing them at that time. Consequently, I
> have some loyalty to KLIV.
>
Yeah there's more than one local sports broadcaster in my
dog house for their comments during last season (Grrrrrr)
mark
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 15:31 PDT 1993
Date: 9 Jul 1993 15:31:18 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: Re: NEWs
email@hidden
Reply to: RE>> NEWs
>>I haven't seen who we picked up in the second phase of the expansion
>>draft
>
>The Sharks declined to pick up anyone in the cross-polination phase
>because of costs (relative to talent. It would have cost about $100K or
>so to grab a player).
Actually, it was worse than just money. For every player you chose, you had to
take an additional player off your own protected list. Even worse, the newly
unporotected player would be available to all four other teams. Only if all
four other teams decided to pass on your unprotected players would the $100,000
price kick in. For the Sharks, the money didn't matter much. They just did
not feel anyone left unprotected by Anaheim and Florida was worth leaving an
additional Shark unprotected.
>I THINK the only player grabbed on cross-polination was Healy, who was
>immediately traded.
Actually, Tampa Bay chose one goalie from each team. They chose Healy from
Anaheim and promptly traded him to the Rangers (talk about cross-country
traveling!). They also gave Florida a draft pick to leave one of their goalies
free (Vanbiesbrouck, I believe), and picked him also. Neither Anaheim nor
Florida wanted any of Tampa Bay's unprotected players, so the Lightning was
only out $200,000 plus the draft pick. Ottawa and the Sharks both declined to
participate.
Dave Comstock
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 15:34 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 15:31:52 PDT
From: Chuq itsbaseballseason Von Rospach
Subject: just off the radio
Neil Wilkinson to the Hawks as the futures to the Waite deal. Only player
mentioned.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 15:34 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 15:32:54 PDT
From: email@hidden (Girard Ramsay)
Subject: Link, rookies, etc. (was Re: looking for hockey news)
IF, and it's a BIG IF, Link returns to pre-injury form, I couldn't see
him NOT playing day-to-day! He'd be competitive with Sandy O for the best
offensive-defenseman on the Sharks (assuming he'd be on defense, which
I'd prefer, although most of the list traffic disagrees), and NO, people
like Maley and Bawa (better than Maley IMO) getting into AND LOSING lots
of fights last year didn't help us stand up to the thug teams that much.
Odgers didn't do much better than those two, either.
To change the subject, those recent roster projections looked OK, but
BOY, are some people counting on unknowns (rookies, marginal trade
acquisitions) to come through in a big way. Granted, they MIGHT be
unknowns only to ME, but I'd guess that most of these guys have been
'scouted' by us by just looking at their past numbers. I'm not
getting snotty here; we just don't have access to real good info
on them (in the form of SEEING THEM PLAY, or something crazy like that).
But counting on the goalie that's coming up BEHIND Flaherty to be a
future star or #1 goalie is wildly premature if you ask me.
Also, I'm surprised at some of the enthusiasm about Whitney and Flaherty,
although I'd be happy to be proved wrong by Whitney. Flaherty, especially,
pretty much fits into the unknown category, as some folks out there have
pegged him a star based on 1 terrible period followed by 2 ok periods in
the NHL (correct me if he's appeared more than the one time I've seen him).
open, open, open,
Girard Ramsay
email@hidden
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 15:47 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 15:45:00 PDT
From: Chuq itsbaseballseason Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Link, rookies, etc. (was Re: looking for hockey news)
>He'd be competitive with Sandy O for the best
>offensive-defenseman on the Sharks
Um, are we talking about Link Gaetz here? I could have sworn you said that
Link Gaetz, a marginal skater with a phyiscal presence, moderate hands and
below average shot, was as good as Sandis Ozolinsh, a legitimate rookie of
the year candidate before his injury.
No, I had to mis-hear that. You really didn't say that, did you?
>like Maley and Bawa (better than Maley IMO) getting into AND LOSING lots
>of fights last year didn't help us stand up to the thug teams that much.
>Odgers didn't do much better than those two, either.
That I agree with. But none of them are supposed to be enforcer types. Jeff
and Robin both definitely tried, but that's not their forte.
>To change the subject, those recent roster projections looked OK, but
>BOY, are some people counting on unknowns (rookies, marginal trade
>acquisitions) to come through in a big way.
True. To a point.
>but I'd guess that most of these guys have been
>'scouted' by us by just looking at their past numbers.
Not necessarily, actually. In some cases we've talked to people who have
watched them play, or seen reports from people who have scouted them, or
discussed them with other folks who have the data.
But for me, I'm waiting until camp opens to start making predictions. There
are a lot of unknowns, and besides, Grillo/Lombardi aren't done yet and I
think there will be some more moves on the roster.
>But counting on the goalie that's coming up BEHIND Flaherty to be a
>future star or #1 goalie is wildly premature if you ask me.
That's what the scouting reports say. Trevor Robbins is a fairly hot talent,
from all I've seen.
Some of us spend more time snooping for data than others. Which might or
might not make those opinions better. And it's tough until you learn who's
who to tell the intelligent babblers from the uninformed commentators. But
blindly refuting what people say is just as silly as blindly believing it.
>Also, I'm surprised at some of the enthusiasm about Whitney and Flaherty,
>although I'd be happy to be proved wrong by Whitney. Flaherty, especially,
>pretty much fits into the unknown category, as some folks out there have
>pegged him a star based on 1 terrible period followed by 2 ok periods in
>the NHL (correct me if he's appeared more than the one time I've seen him).
You're forgetting the work he's done down in K.C, to name just one other
resource.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 15:55 PDT 1993
From: John Onusko
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 15:53:11 PDT
Subject: Re: Used Equipment
> Finally, drop in at the rinks and look on their bulletin boards;
> somebody is usually selling off used gear at at least one rink
> on any given day!
>
The rink bulletin boards are the best bet, or stop by Sunday at the
Belmont rink and talk to the women playing. The Bay Area's women's
league has games on Sundays at Belmont, 4:30 and 6:00pm.
John
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 16:38 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 16:37:15 PDT
From: email@hidden (Girard Ramsay)
Subject: Re: Link, rookies, etc. (was Re: looking for hockey news)
>>He'd be competitive with Sandy O for the best
>>offensive-defenseman on the Sharks
>
>Um, are we talking about Link Gaetz here? I could have sworn you said that
>Link Gaetz, a marginal skater with a phyiscal presence, moderate hands and
>below average shot, was as good as Sandis Ozolinsh, a legitimate rookie of
Don't agree with this - Link was a strong skater IMO, and had a good
hard slapshot in my AND others' opinion. Also, I'm talking more about
when inside the offensive zone - don't argue with Ozolinsh carrying the
puck much better.
>>like Maley and Bawa (better than Maley IMO) getting into AND LOSING lots
>>of fights last year didn't help us stand up to the thug teams that much.
>>Odgers didn't do much better than those two, either.
>
>That I agree with. But none of them are supposed to be enforcer types. Jeff
>and Robin both definitely tried, but that's not their forte.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EXACTLY!
>
>>but I'd guess that most of these guys have been
>>'scouted' by us by just looking at their past numbers.
>
>Not necessarily, actually. In some cases we've talked to people who have
>watched them play, or seen reports from people who have scouted them, or
>discussed them with other folks who have the data.
>
Good! Then you're not whom I'm talking about!
>
>Some of us spend more time snooping for data than others. Which might or
>might not make those opinions better. And it's tough until you learn who's
>who to tell the intelligent babblers from the uninformed commentators. But
>blindly refuting what people say is just as silly as blindly believing it.
I have no argument with the idea that more data = better opinions!
As with Robbins and other youngsters, though, I'd be interested in
the percentage of hot prospects that make it. I've personally tracked
a good number of baseball prospects, not hockey prospects (making me
one of the people I'm complaining about - if I'd tried to give knowledgeable
predictions about the hockey prospects), but the number of legitimate
'hot' young prospects that make it in the bigs is fairly low! One of my
points is that given a half-dozen legit prospects, pencilling them ALL
in to the 1994 lineup seems overly optimistic. If someone wants to
make the argument that 'baseball ISN'T hockey!', that's ok, but maybe
someone who has watched lots of hockey prospects closely can tell me
whether the numbers game is similar between them in this respect....
>>Also, I'm surprised at some of the enthusiasm about Whitney and Flaherty,
>>although I'd be happy to be proved wrong by Whitney. Flaherty, especially,
>>pretty much fits into the unknown category, as some folks out there have
>>pegged him a star based on 1 terrible period followed by 2 ok periods in
>>the NHL (correct me if he's appeared more than the one time I've seen him).
>
>You're forgetting the work he's done down in K.C, to name just one other
>resource.
>
True. Irbe did outplay him down there though, didn't he? (I'm honestly
ASKING this question, not stating it.) On the other hand, I saw some
people get excited about the GREAT game he played for the Sharks, and I don't
agree with that appraisal of that game at all.
Girard Ramsay
email@hidden
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 16:52 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 16:49:25 PDT
From: email@hidden (Robert Diebold)
Subject: Link, rookies, etc.
What is all of this speculation about the goaltending abilities of Flaherty and
Robbins? Have the Sharks traded Irbe and/or Hackett away? Didn't they just
trade one of their better defensemen for a goalie? I would be very interested
in seeing a depth (or lack of) chart of the Sharks as they stand now.
I have been a Sharks fan from day one, but the management is making it
increasingly difficult for me to want to remain one. Do they have a plan? If
so, why do they make so many trades like the Evason for Duchesne trade; what's
the point of trading one marginal player for another? They also seem to get the
short end of every deal with Chicago. Did they get Makarov to reunite with
Larionov (hey, two-ton Krutov is out there somewhere) or to ease the transition
of Kozlov and some of the other young Russians, Ukrainians, etc.?
Thanks to Dave for the draft info.
Robert Diebold
email@hidden
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 17:05 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 17:02:44 PDT
From: Chuq itsbaseballseason Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Link, rookies, etc.
>What is all of this speculation about the goaltending abilities of Flaherty and
>Robbins? Have the Sharks traded Irbe and/or Hackett away? Didn't they just
>trade one of their better defensemen for a goalie? I would be very interested
>in seeing a depth (or lack of) chart of the Sharks as they stand now.
Here's the Goalie chart as it currently stands:
Arturs Irbe
Jimmy Waite
Jeff Hackett
Wade Flaherty (IHL)
Trevor Robbins (WHL)
And there's at least one other one getting good feedback in the pipe behind
Robbins.
Clearly, they'll have to do something with Hackett before the season starts,
or trade Waite elsewhere. We won't start the season with all three, and
Arturs is untouchable. (Hmm. Give me Mario and I'll think about it).
The reason we're speculating on Wade and Robbins and folks is because (1)
before Waite came into the picture, the general feeling was the Flaherty was
going to start the season with the Sharks as backup (with Hackett elsewhere)
and Robbins getting experience at IHL. Robbins, if he does what the reports
indicate, could be a front-line (say top 15) goalie in the league someday.
Or maybe not. But bringing Waite on board bollixes that up, because now
Flaherty stays at IHL unless we have an injury, and that messes up player
development. So we start thinking "what do we do...."
I'd probably keep Flaherty for a year, given our tendency for goalies to go
down, and then start looking at getting Trevor ready for the big time. I
think.
>I have been a Sharks fan from day one, but the management is making it
>increasingly difficult for me to want to remain one. Do they have a plan?
funny. I think much differently than you. I've been a big fan of Sharks
management since day one, and I'm rather impressed with what I've seen from
them. Not everything has worked, but their primary problem has been an
amazingly bad rash of injuries, not managerial problems. This off-season has
been quite good to us so far.
>If so, why do they make so many trades like the Evason for Duchesne trade;
Because they obviously think Duchesne fits their needs better than Deano.
Because maybe it's simply a situation where both will prosper better in a
new environment. Because maybe Dean went and asked them for a trade, and
that's the best deal they got. Lotsa maybes, but since I wasn't in the room
when they pulled it off, I don't know which (if any) is right.
>They also seem to get the
>short end of every deal with Chicago.
You think Wilkinson for Waite is a shaft job? Seriously? And while others
might disagree, I don't think the Wilson deal was bad, either -- if only for
what he does for this time off-ice.
>Did they get Makarov to reunite with
>Larionov (hey, two-ton Krutov is out there somewhere) or to ease the transition
>of Kozlov and some of the other young Russians, Ukrainians, etc.?
I think the answer to this is "yes".
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 19:23 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 19:23:02 PDT
From: email@hidden (Robert Allen)
email@hidden
Subject: Re: Link, rookies, etc. (was Re: looking for hockey news)
>>>He'd be competitive with Sandy O for the best
>>>offensive-defenseman on the Sharks
>>
>>Um, are we talking about Link Gaetz here? I could have sworn you said that
>>Link Gaetz, a marginal skater with a phyiscal presence, moderate hands and
>>below average shot, was as good as Sandis Ozolinsh, a legitimate rookie of
>>the year candidate before his injury.
>>
>>No, I had to mis-hear that. You really didn't say that, did you?
Those hands are only "moderate" if they aren't formed into a
fist-shaped depression in an opposing players' countenance :-).
There is definately something to be said for the offensive
abilities of someone considered so dangerous that they might
start pounding someone without warning. In fact, based on reports
I've heard that Gaetz' would periodically just skate up to an
opposing player and deck them for no apparent reason, I can
only conclude that he believed in ruling through intimidation.
As someone pointed out to me, the Sharks' current attitude of
"The Team is the Goon" (I should get some T shirts made that say
that) is great for retaliation, but doesn't fulfill the deterrent
affect that someone like Gaetz can have.
Of course all this is purely hypothetical since I've never seen
Gaetz play. I have seen the first season poster however, in
which Gaetz is dually distinguished by being both the largest
person in the photo, and the only one who looks like he's
more than mildly curious about what the photographer would look
like with a fist shaped depression in his/her face :-).
R.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Jul 9 23:04 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 93 23:01:57 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
email@hidden, email@hidden
Subject: Re: Link, rookies, etc. (was Re: looking for hockey news)
>>Um, are we talking about Link Gaetz here?
> Those hands are only "moderate" if they aren't formed into a
> fist-shaped depression in an opposing players' countenance :-).
In Link's defence, let me say this: when he stepped on the ice, he was an
immediate presence. A clear intimidator. He stood up to Bob Probert one
night and punched him to a draw, which says a lot.
Beyond that, though, he could skate well enough to play on a regular line
and not embarass himself, pass well enough to not be an offensive liability
and occasionally get something in the net. That put him ice-ages ahead of
someone like Calgary's Doug Smyth or Tie "Mongo Stomp" Domi.
I saw in Link the possibility to become a Probert-type player (the Probert
that showed up once he sobered up and straightened out, I'll note. Not the
first generation model). Maybe not THAT good (probably not that good), but
the kind of guy who would use his fists when necessary, know when to shove
them in his pockets when appropriate and bring something more to the game
than a brawl. That doesn't mean he'd ever be more than a checking line
forward, but that's better than a four-shift-a-game-gone-in-three-years
goon.
I have to admit that despite all his problems, I like Link, he was always
pleasant and open the times I got to chat with him, he was always VERY
available and accessible and pleasant to the other fans at the Palais.
But Link never shook clear of his dark side, and then the accident, and the
physical problems and questions surrounding that. And every so often you
hear something, or a rumor surfaces, and it creates questions. Can he come
back? Has he cleaned up? Or is he still wanding down his self-desctructive
pathways waiting for another chance to try to scramble his brains?
I don't know. I really want him to make it. Probert did. He can. I just don't
know if he will, and I don't know at what point he becomes too much of a
liability to the team. If it's going to hurt the Sharks, I'd toss Link in a
second, because we don't have a lot of margin of error for charity, and I
think many organizations would have tossed him long ago.
And, perhaps, given the stuff that's happened here, maybe it's best for HIM
to move onward and get a clean slate where people don't look at those cars
on his face and remember the news stories.
I really want to see him go to camp and win a slot on the team. But at this
point, I'm skeptical from all I've heard, as much as I'd like to be wrong.
And he's going to have to prove he deserves one, and that includes not only
on-ice performance, but some indication that his off-ice side has gotten its
act together, too. We don't need another year of pissing on roomate's
couches or DUI's filling up the sports page. We need a team that works hard,
plays together and wins when it can. Let's not forget why we're here.
Rehabilitating projects is, frankly, second on the list.
> In fact, based on reports
> I've heard that Gaetz' would periodically just skate up to an
> opposing player and deck them for no apparent reason, I can
> only conclude that he believed in ruling through intimidation.
No, it's not that simple. For one thing, as the "new goon on the block",
there was a lot of testing of Link. A good example was the Probert fight,
where it was pretty clear that the two had decided (either explicitly or
just by knowing) that the first time the two were on the ice together that
they were doing to drop gloves. It's the creation of the goon-pecking-order.
It's, I guess, a necessary evil. You can't really intimidate until you prove
your ability to (as Dody Wood found out this last season. Hmm. Has anyone
heard a word about him since the season ended? Or has he simply
disappeared?)
An another side, though, Link sometimes didn't seem to be completely in
control of himself. He let emotion take over and took stupid penalties. The
"jump out of the penalty box" bit was a classic. I think some of that can be
chalked up to youthful enthusiasm, some to side-effects of his off-ice
problems, and some to lack of experience. That's an aspect he has to prove
is behind him or be becomes a serious liability.
> As someone pointed out to me, the Sharks' current attitude of
> "The Team is the Goon" (I should get some T shirts made that say
> that) is great for retaliation, but doesn't fulfill the deterrent
> affect that someone like Gaetz can have.
Very true. But one wonders whether additiuons like Mike Rathke or Koslov
(both of whom are 6'5" or bigger and fairly muscular) might make it a little
less necessary for Gaetz to play that role. I can't answer that yet. We'll
know more in camp.
> which Gaetz is dually distinguished by being both the largest
> person in the photo, and the only one who looks like he's
> more than mildly curious about what the photographer would look
> like with a fist shaped depression in his/her face :-).
It's clear, in retrospect, that Ferriera drafted the Sahrks far too small to
start. Oh, well, live and learn. that's being resolved.
And frankly, one of the things I like about Gaetz is the realization that
there's more than muscles on that body. When you talk to him, you meet a
fairly interesting, reasonably intelligent kid. A mixed up kid who has some
stuff he needs to deal with, but there's more there than fists. I don't
think people give him enough credit for that.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sat Jul 10 16:58 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Tom Soukup ~)
Subject: Sharks Exhibition Schedule
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1993 16:58:26 -0700 (PDT)
This is the Sharks exhibition schedule as published in the Mercury News on
Saturday (7/10).
Sept. 23 vs Buffalo ion Sacramento
Sept. 25 vs Buffalo at Cow Palace
Sept. 28 vs Los Angeles in Denver
Sept. 29 at LA
Sept. 30 vs N.Y. Islanders at San Jose Arena
Oct. 2 vs Chicago at San Jose Arena
The Islanders game is included in the season ticket packages.
Tom
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Jul 11 11:57 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Derek LeLash)
Subject: Re: Sharks Exhibition Schedule
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 93 11:50:13 PDT
>
> This is the Sharks exhibition schedule as published in the Mercury News on
> Saturday (7/10).
>
> Sept. 30 vs N.Y. Islanders at San Jose Arena
> Oct. 2 vs Chicago at San Jose Arena
>
> The Islanders game is included in the season ticket packages.
>
Neat Merchandising Idea #1:
A black poster, empty except for the fin logo in the center and the words
"September 30."
Derek ["*I'd* buy it!"]
--
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BASYS Automation Systems, Inc. but you have to lay the groundwork early in
derek@netcom.com the game." -- Cerebus
email@hidden DISCLAIMER: Be good, and you will be lonesome.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Jul 12 10:22 PDT 1993
Date: 12 Jul 93 09:43:00 PST
From: "MOSHE PREIL (22117)"
Subject: LINK TRADE
OK, all you true believers in the Mighty Linkster who are
anxiously awaiting His second coming, read no further- you might get
upset.
Here's my prediction. Link will never play NHL caliber hockey
again, and the Sharks know it. Having lost their token goon, and realizing
that the lack of an intimidation factor may have been a part of the injury
problems last year, they need to find a new goon. So they are using Link
as trade bait. They know he'll never make it, not as a goon, not as a
defenseman, and not even as a big forward, as some have suggested. Now,
if they just started trying to trade him, no one would even give him a
second look, so they cleverly wasted a protected spot on the roster during
the expansion draft to make it look like they really expect him to play
again. It's pretty clever; it makes it look like he's a real player,
greatly increasing the odds of getting a decent goon in a trade (don't
ask me what a "decent goon" is, I don't have a clue). What they gave up
was a protected slot on the roster, which at most costs them what; Bawa?
So it's no great loss, but if it fools someone into giving them a halfway
decent trade it's a good move. Even if the trade does not produce a usable
goon, it still sends a message that the Sharks are looking for one, which
carries with it a message that they aren't going to stand for another
season of being bashed around like last year.
Or is all of this too subtle? Does it really all come down to
money? How much do the SHarks have to pay Link even if he doesn't play?
Could the trade just be a way of getting a load off the payroll, or
can they cut him outright without any payment?
Either way, he ain't coming back.
Moshe
209/?/?
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Jul 12 10:24 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 10:22:42 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Link, rookies, etc. (was Re: looking for hockey news)
> From: Chuq Von Rospach
> I saw in Link the possibility to become a Probert-type player (the Probert
> that showed up once he sobered up and straightened out, I'll note. Not the
> first generation model).
Gee, I only saw him trying to emulate the first-generation Probert.
> the kind of guy who would use his fists when necessary, know when to shove
> them in his pockets when appropriate and bring something more to the game
> than a brawl
I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about Link Gaetz, here. Obviously,
I was wrong in that.
> I don't know. I really want him to make it. Probert did.
I have to admit, Probert's turnaround amazed me just as much as Gaetz's
would have. If one druggie/brawler can do it, I suppose the other can, too.
(Okay, it's a different drug, but the same results.)
> ... people don't look at those cars on his face ...
^^^^
Was that intentional?
> An another side, though, Link sometimes didn't seem to be completely in
> control of himself. He let emotion take over and took stupid penalties. The
> "jump out of the penalty box" bit was a classic.
Exactamundo! That kind of thing refutes all of the speculation about
carefully crafted goondom.
> there's more than muscles on that body. When you talk to him, you meet a
> fairly interesting, reasonably intelligent kid. A mixed up kid who has some
> stuff he needs to deal with, but there's more there than fists. I don't
> think people give him enough credit for that.
There's more there only when no one is getting his adrenalin up.
He has no self-control -- like myself around a dessert menu, but with
far worse consequences. I say he's a project that failed, and we should
get on with filling the team with guys who want to play hockey.
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| Internet: email@hidden |
| "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Jul 12 10:29 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 10:28:26 PDT
From: Chuq itsbaseballseason Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Link, rookies, etc. (was Re: looking for hockey news)
>> the kind of guy who would use his fists when necessary, know when to shove
>> them in his pockets when appropriate and bring something more to the game
>> than a brawl
>I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about Link Gaetz, here. Obviously,
>I was wrong in that.
Make no bones about it -- the 'wrong' Gaetz showed up far too often. But
there were days....
>I have to admit, Probert's turnaround amazed me just as much as Gaetz's
>would have. If one druggie/brawler can do it, I suppose the other can, too.
>(Okay, it's a different drug, but the same results.)
Exactly. And Probert will be remembered long after Gaetz and Tie Domi are
forgotten -- for his performance.
>> ... people don't look at those cars on his face ...
^^^^
Was that intentional?
>
No. Ugh. (sorry.)
>> An another side, though, Link sometimes didn't seem to be completely in
>> control of himself. He let emotion take over and took stupid penalties. The
>> "jump out of the penalty box" bit was a classic.
>Exactamundo! That kind of thing refutes all of the speculation about
>carefully crafted goondom.
The problem, Ed, is that you're trying to turn Link into something simple:
either a simplistic goon or not. In reality, he was BOTH at different times.
There were days when he really did play a lot like Probert. Too few, but
they were there. (this is one reason why I was happy to see Bawa come onto
the team. I thought he could be a great role model for Link, coming from the
same region and similar situations and having gotten away from the things
that got to Link, and with a great work ethic and attitude).
>There's more there only when no one is getting his adrenalin up.
>He has no self-control -- like myself around a dessert menu, but with
>far worse consequences. I say he's a project that failed, and we should
>get on with filling the team with guys who want to play hockey.
Yeah. Hard to argue with that.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Jul 12 10:57 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1993 10:56 PST
From: Brenda Pobanz
Subject: Hrkac
I realize this is regressing severely, but I wasn't around for the Sharks
first season. I know Tony Hrkac played for the Sharks for a little while
and then they traded him to Chicago. I remember Tony from college...he
was an incredible hockey player. Quite a joy to watch. Why did the Sharks
get rid of him? Did he play badly? Has he not quite made the transition
from college to pro? He really tore up the IHL this last year and still
Chicago left him down there, didn't protect him in the draft and then no one
picked him up. What am I missing here?
BMP
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Jul 12 11:11 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 11:07:49 PDT
From: Chuq itsbaseballseason Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Hrkac
>He really tore up the IHL this last year and still
>Chicago left him down there, didn't protect him in the draft and then no one
>picked him up. What am I missing here?
I think it's because he's a career minor leaguer. He can stomp minor-league
talent, but isn't quite able to make the transition to the next level.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Jul 12 12:24 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 12:14:25 -0700
From: email@hidden (Kevin McCallum)
Subject: Re: LINK TRADE
************************** Original Message *************************
>From: "MOSHE PREIL (22117)"
>Date: 12 Jul 93 09:43:00 PST
>To: "sharks"
>Subject: LINK TRADE
>
> Here's my prediction. Link will never play NHL caliber hockey
>again, and the Sharks know it.
>
> Either way, he ain't coming back.
>
>Moshe
>209/?/?
In *your* opinion.
Odds are the coaching staff's, the management staff's,
and Link's opinion could differ considerably from yours.
I think this is a pretty hard call for anyone to make
until Link gets deep into training camp & we can get some
hard evidence as to his prognosis to date.
As has been stated on the list, the Sharks mgmt. is
pretty savy & certainly in no position to afford the luxury
of carrying some charity case on the roster as a "personal"
favor to an injured player....I can't believe the Sharks
would've stuck with him THIS long, without expecting some
pretty heavy dividends in return.
=Kev.
===================================================================
Kevin McCallum Innovative Interfaces
email@hidden Berkeley, CA 94710
"Moe is their leader!" (H.Simpson) Tech Support Services
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Jul 12 13:15 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 13:14:07 PDT
From: email@hidden (Robert Diebold)
Has a Sharks booster club been organized yet? When I went to see the Sharks at
the Cow Palace two years ago (a 4-1 victory over Quebec), there seemed to be
something going on, but only for season ticket holders. I'm also interested to
know if there is anyone who is willing to video-tape Sharks games and either
trade them for videos of Kings and Duck games or just send them to me (at my
expense, of course - tapes and postage)?
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* \|| * Robert Diebold * Go Sharks, Man. United, *
* O Be seeing you... * email@hidden * Magpies, & Glamorgan. *
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Jul 12 13:17 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 13:17:02 PDT
From: Chuq itsbaseballseason Von Rospach
Subject: ~f
>Has a Sharks booster club been organized yet?
No team sponsored groups. Just small groups like Shark-Bytes. (which, from
what we've been told, is the largest one, on-line or no, that the Sharks
know about).
>When I went to see the Sharks at
>the Cow Palace two years ago (a 4-1 victory over Quebec), there seemed to be
>something going on, but only for season ticket holders.
Yeah. They're called ice insights, and are occasional meeting where Sharks
staff discusses various things iwth season ticket holders. A perq. Can be
very interesting, also.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Jul 12 14:26 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 14:23:08 PDT
From: TaylorKA
Subject: Re: No Subject Given
I will be doing the Official Sharks Booster Club beginning this next
season. I have already talked to the Sharks personnel, other teams,
etc to provide info.
I will have something going, hopefully, by opening night. I will have
signups and stuff. Will have more later.
The booster club will be going to Kings and Ducks games at least once a
year. Other info to follow.
kara
#10
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Jul 12 14:31 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 13:53 PDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: LINK TRADE
Forwarded: Message from {email@hidden}:ugate:3Com of 7-12-93
Hi, y'all!
I think that Kevin is right (below) in saying we need to wait 'til
training camp to know more. If, however, the Linkster fails to perform,
maybe we should pursue signing the Kings' Marty McSorley to fill the
role (I believe he's still available)?
Thoughts?
//Rob
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>From: "MOSHE PREIL (22117)"
>Date: 12 Jul 93 09:43:00 PST
>To: "sharks"
>Subject: LINK TRADE
>
> Here's my prediction. Link will never play NHL caliber hockey
>again, and the Sharks know it.
>
> Either way, he ain't coming back.
>
>Moshe
>209/?/?
In *your* opinion.
Odds are the coaching staff's, the management staff's,
and Link's opinion could differ considerably from yours.
I think this is a pretty hard call for anyone to make
until Link gets deep into training camp & we can get some
hard evidence as to his prognosis to date.
As has been stated on the list, the Sharks mgmt. is
pretty savy & certainly in no position to afford the luxury
of carrying some charity case on the roster as a "personal"
favor to an injured player....I can't believe the Sharks
would've stuck with him THIS long, without expecting some
pretty heavy dividends in return.
=Kev.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Jul 12 14:33 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 14:33:05 PDT
From: Chuq itsbaseballseason Von Rospach
Subject: Re: LINK TRADE
>If, however, the Linkster fails to perform,
>maybe we should pursue signing the Kings' Marty McSorley to fill the
>role (I believe he's still available)?
I'd frankly LOVE to see the Sharks go after both McSorley and Dave Taylor.
I've heard conflicting data on whether McSorley is unrestricted or not. If
not, his value goes down a good bit for us, because we need to fill out in
the draft a fair amount, but I've become a fair McSorley fan in the last few
months, and I think he'd come in and really make an impact on this team.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Jul 12 14:48 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 14:47:27 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Link, rookies, etc. (was Re: looking for hockey news)
> From email@hidden Mon Jul 12 10:42:03 1993
> >> An another side, though, Link sometimes didn't seem to be completely in
> >> control of himself. He let emotion take over and took stupid penalties. The
> >> "jump out of the penalty box" bit was a classic.
>
> >Exactamundo! That kind of thing refutes all of the speculation about
> >carefully crafted goondom.
>
> The problem, Ed, is that you're trying to turn Link into something simple:
> either a simplistic goon or not. In reality, he was BOTH at different times.
> There were days when he really did play a lot like Probert. Too few, but
> they were there.
That's true. I remember being amazed when Gaetz did show up to play
hockey, and do it reasonable well. But also true is "Too few."
> From: "MOSHE PREIL (22117)"
> Or is all of this too subtle? Does it really all come down to
> money? How much do the SHarks have to pay Link even if he doesn't play?
> Could the trade just be a way of getting a load off the payroll, or
> can they cut him outright without any payment?
I believe his contract expired last week, so the Sharks are already off
the financial hook if they want to be. And if they do offer Gaetz a new
contract, you can bet that it will be more incentives than base pay.
And as for protecting him just to fool the rest of the league's GMs,
well, I don't think most of them are that gullible. Therefore it seems
likely that the management thinks Gaetz can swing again.
--Ed
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Jul 12 14:52 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 14:51:42 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Hrkac
> >He really tore up the IHL this last year and still
> >Chicago left him down there, didn't protect him in the draft and then no one
> >picked him up. What am I missing here?
>
> I think it's because he's a career minor leaguer. He can stomp minor-league
> talent, but isn't quite able to make the transition to the next level.
I seem to recall hearing, at the time, that management didn't think Hrkac
had the hustle ethic. A lot of potential, but not the will to work
himself up to NHL effort. I also recall being surprised, because I thought
he was in the better half of the Sharks' collection of future heroes.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Jul 12 16:17 PDT 1993
Date: 12 Jul 1993 16:17:04 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: Re: Hrkac
Reply to: RE>Hrkac
>Brenda Pobanz asks:
>I know Tony Hrkac played for the Sharks for a little while and then they
>traded him to Chicago. Why did the Sharks get rid of him?
If Tony had been healthy from the start of the 1991-2 season, he conceivably
could still be playing for the Sharks. Unfortunately, he broke his wrist
during the pre-season, and by the time he was healthy, he no longer had a spot
on the roster. The chemistry of the team starting forming while he was
injured, and when he returned, the Sharks apparently didn't feel he was worth
rocking the boat for.
Given 20-20 hindsight, you could argue that the Sharks should have held onto
him in case they suffered a bunch of injuries to their forwards, but the Sharks
decided not to.
As Chuq pointed out, Tony appears to be a killer minor league player. But, for
good or bad reasons, he's begun to be pegged as a career minor leaguer. There
are quite a few of those players around (Hubie McDonough, Kansas City's Gary
Emmons, David Bruce for many years, et. al.), but the difference between a
great minor leaguer/marginal NHL player and a everyday NHL player is
significant, particularly when you've been pegged by the NHL's coaches as one
or the other.
If Chicago has any significant injuries among their forwards this season,
presumably Tony would be one of the first players they'd call up. He may also
have a slight chance at making the team in training camp. Given his wonderful
1992-3 season, it's also possible that Chicago might trade him to an expansion
team: I doubt his trade value has ever been this high.
Dave Comstock
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Jul 12 17:37 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 17:36:51 -0700
Subject: Re: LINK TRADE
-> From email@hidden Mon Jul 12 10:43:00 1993
-> Or is all of this too subtle? Does it really all come down to
-> money? How much do the SHarks have to pay Link even if he doesn't play?
-> Could the trade just be a way of getting a load off the payroll, or
-> can they cut him outright without any payment?
-> Either way, he ain't coming back.
How 'bout if the trade rumours were started by the Sharks themselves, hoping
to get someone interested before other GM's actually figured out what they
were doing? Protecting Link would fit in with this, as Moshe said...
Just a thought.
-arik
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Jul 12 17:43 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 17:42:47 -0700
Subject: McSorley
->
-> From email@hidden Mon Jul 12 14:33:05 1993
-> I'd frankly LOVE to see the Sharks go after both McSorley and Dave Taylor.
-> I've heard conflicting data on whether McSorley is unrestricted or not. If
-> not, his value goes down a good bit for us, because we need to fill out in
-> the draft a fair amount, but I've become a fair McSorley fan in the last few
-> months, and I think he'd come in and really make an impact on this team.
-> From email@hidden Mon Jul 12 13:53:00 1993
-> I think that Kevin is right (below) in saying we need to wait 'til
-> training camp to know more. If, however, the Linkster fails to perform,
-> maybe we should pursue signing the Kings' Marty McSorley to fill the
-> role (I believe he's still available)?
The word I've heard is that One of the conditions of Gretzky playing another
year was that McSorley be re-signed. I think that gives us little or no hope
of getting McSorley.
-arik
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Jul 12 19:24 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 19:23:22 PDT
From: email@hidden (Robert Allen)
Subject: Re: McSorley
+-> From email@hidden Mon Jul 12 14:33:05 1993
+
+-> I'd frankly LOVE to see the Sharks go after both McSorley and Dave Taylor.
+-> I've heard conflicting data on whether McSorley is unrestricted or not. If
+-> not, his value goes down a good bit for us, because we need to fill out in
+-> the draft a fair amount, but I've become a fair McSorley fan in the last few
+-> months, and I think he'd come in and really make an impact on this team.
+
+-> From email@hidden Mon Jul 12 13:53:00 1993
+
+-> I think that Kevin is right (below) in saying we need to wait 'til
+-> training camp to know more. If, however, the Linkster fails to perform,
+-> maybe we should pursue signing the Kings' Marty McSorley to fill the
+-> role (I believe he's still available)?
+
+The word I've heard is that One of the conditions of Gretzky playing another
+year was that McSorley be re-signed. I think that gives us little or no hope
+of getting McSorley.
+
+-arik
I suppose it'd be childish to say, "Too bad Gretsky is such a
pussie that he can't play w/out a goon to back him up." :-).
Do I believe that? I don't know. I do think that you should
be prepared to play a game the way it's supposed to be played,
or not play at all. On the other hand, it's a brave man who
sets an example to change a bad environmental feature. However
I respect Kelly Kisio more for being a small man playing with the
big boys than for Gretsky having someone else run around and pound
people for him. No doubt it's because I was picked on as a
child :-).
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Jul 12 20:06 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 20:05:21 PDT
From: email@hidden (Robert Allen)
Subject: Re: McSorley
>> I suppose it'd be childish to say, "Too bad Gretsky is such a
>> pussie that he can't play w/out a goon to back him up." :-).
>>
>> Do I believe that? I don't know. I do think that you should
>> be prepared to play a game the way it's supposed to be played,
>> or not play at all. On the other hand, it's a brave man who
>> sets an example to change a bad environmental feature. However
>> I respect Kelly Kisio more for being a small man playing with the
>> big boys than for Gretsky having someone else run around and pound
>> people for him. No doubt it's because I was picked on as a
>> child :-).
Gosh, can you tell *I* was in a good mood today?
R.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Jul 13 08:01 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 08:01:08 PDT
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Re: LINK TRADE
All this speculation about Link's future has me thinking...
am I not GM material because I think: "this guy has missed
an entire season after a life-threatening accident, I had
better see how he does in camp before I offer one of my players
for him."
After all, everyone in the league knows his history, how many
GM's would be willing to make a trade when they don't even know
if he can play? All this talk of manipulations by the Sharks
is just that; talk. If a GM were to fall for such a ludicrous
plan, then he deserves whatever he gets.
---
Alan Hepburn "A man doesn't know what he knows
National Semiconductor until he knows what he doesn't know."
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden Thomas Carlyle
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Jul 13 08:45 PDT 1993
Subject: Radnich interviews Constantine
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 11:24:28 EDT
From: email@hidden (Paul Krill)
There was a really good interview with Kevin Constantine on,
brace yourselves, Gary Radnich's TV show Sunday night. Although the
questions were pretty much what anybody would ask, the spot provided
some decent insight into Constantine and the Sharks. Constantine, for
example, said he didn't think language would be much of a barrier with
Viktor Kozlov and would be no problem at all by Kozlov's second year.
The coach also said he didn't think his own age would be a problem in
motiviating players. Constantine noted Doug Wilson is older than him.
Other parts of the interview touched on Constantine's stint in various
jobs in Truckee and his brief professional hockey career. Only one mention
about fighting; Constanting said as a goalie he didn't get much chance
to do it.
As if all this wasn't shocking enough coming from Radnich, the
show also introduced Constantine's wife, and had rare video footage of
Kozlov and the San Jose Arena. My impression of the arena was it had a
way to go before completion, at least based on the footage.
Also, there was a pretty decent article about Kozlov in the
Merky News today (July 13). The article covered Kozlov's life in
Russia and featured comments from the Sharks' Russian scout.
--
Paul Krill email@hidden
Open Systems Today (408) 725-4331
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Jul 13 09:01 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 09:00 PST
From: Brenda Pobanz
Subject: Kozlov
***Also, there was a pretty decent article about Kozlov in the Merky News today
(July 13).
For those of us with crummy newspapers, would you please summarize the article
on Kozlov - at least hit the highlights.
Thanks......BMP
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Jul 13 10:09 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 10:07:04 PDT
From: email@hidden (Dane Collins)
Subject: Hacket to Hawks
Just heard on KNBR. Traded for future consideration.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Jul 13 10:21 PDT 1993
Subject: Summary of Kozlov article
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 12:54:38 EDT
From: email@hidden (Paul Krill)
Main Points of July 13 Murky News article on Kozlov:
Kozlov is from a place called Togliatti, and would otherwise
work in the automobile factory there if he couldn't play hockey.
``Everybody in Russia talks about him,'' said Konstantin
Krylov, Sharks scout in Russia. Kozlov is looked at as the next Mario
Lemieux.
Kozlov's team, Moscow Dynamo, claims Kozlov is bound to them,
but Kozlov's agent disagrees and the Sharks don't think this will be a
problem. He will be enrolled in an accelerated Engish class when he
gets here.
Kozlov was viewed as awkward and inconsistent last year, but
Sharks hockey operations chief Dean Lombardi attributed this to growth
spurts. Lombardi cited videotapes of Kozlov losing balance for no
apparent reason. ``He just hasn't grown into his body yet,'' Lombardi
said. Kozlov is 6'5", 219 pounds.
Chuck Grillo, Sharks player personnell director, said Kozlov
was a boy playing in a man's league with Moscow Dynamo.
Kozlov will earn a lot more money wit the Sharks than he
did in Russia. In Russia he was paid $40-$50 a month; Mike Rathje,
Sharks number 1 pick last year, recently signed for $1.5 million over
four years. Krylov described Kozlov as a ``a very friendly kid,''
``very intelligent.''
. --
Paul Krill email@hidden
Open Systems Today (408) 725-4331
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Jul 13 11:30 PDT 1993
Date: 13 Jul 1993 11:33:54 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: Chat With Hackett At 11-45
Subject: Time:11:32 AM
OFFICE MEMO Chat With Hackett At 11:45 Date:7/13/93
KCBS Radio (740 AM) announced on the 11:15AM sports report that they'll have a
brief chat with Hackett on their next sportscast (11:45AM).
Dave Comstock
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Jul 13 11:46 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 11:44:43 -0700
From: email@hidden (Stormwind)
Subject: Hackett
just spotted an article in clari.news.hockey.
while clarinews forbids me to repost the article
verbatim, what it said was that Hackett has
been traded to the Blackhawks for "future
considerations", and essentially closes the deal
that was made for Jimmy Waite...Hackett and
Wilkinson for Waite.
poor jeff. if he's not already irritable about
no longer being "top goalie", it's adding insult
to injury to trade him off to some other team for
ANOTHER goalie.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Jul 13 13:01 PDT 1993
Date: 13 Jul 93 12:14:00 PST
From: "MOSHE PREIL (22117)"
Subject: Hackett
>From: email@hidden (Stormwind)
>
>just spotted an article in clari.news.hockey.
>while clarinews forbids me to repost the article
>verbatim, what it said was that Hackett has
>been traded to the Blackhawks for "future
>considerations", and essentially closes the deal
>that was made for Jimmy Waite...Hackett and
>Wilkinson for Waite.
>
>poor jeff. if he's not already irritable about
>no longer being "top goalie", it's adding insult
>to injury to trade him off to some other team for
>ANOTHER goalie.
As I noted when the deal for Waite was first announced, it is
precisely this attitude of Hackett's- being "irritated" that he wasn't
recognized as the top goalie (which he ain't)- that made him expendable.
Personally, I liked HAckett; he gave us some great moments. But his
attitude didn't help his cause, and it didn't help the team.
Before anyone else screams that this is "just my opinon"....
Of course it is; that's why I wrote it! If it wasn't my opinion, I'd
let someone else write it. To paraphrase the Monty Python archaeology
sketch: "This is my opinion, which is an opinion of mine which I have
formed to be my opinion..."
Of course, it also happens to be correct.
Moshe
209/?/?
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Jul 13 13:27 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Mark Spiegel)
Subject: Re: Hackett
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 13:26:19 PDT
>
> considerations", and essentially closes the deal
> that was made for Jimmy Waite...Hackett and
> Wilkinson for Waite.
the Waite deal was closed this weekend,
Wilkinson for Waite.
the Murky said Hackett was rumored to be
offerred to the Blackhawks for a 3rd or 4th
round pick. If it's a 3rd rounder
maybe we can use it to payoff the
Islanders for Norton.
>
> poor jeff. if he's not already irritable about
> no longer being "top goalie", it's adding insult
> to injury to trade him off to some other team for
> ANOTHER goalie.
While I'm sorry to see Hackett go, and will
remember him for the great efforts he made
(eg, the 56 saves against LA), this may be
good for Jeff. After two years of being
in a shooting gallery, another year of that
may have just have been too much. From what
I understand of playing goalie it is more
mental than physical. Being in the situation
he was in with the Sharks, Hackett was stuck
being a good bad team goalie, ie, one who
reconciles letting in shots he should have
stopped with spectacular saves on other shots.
The sheer volume of shots just overwhelm you.
With the Blackhawks (they've had one of the if not
the lowest shots on their goal stats) Jeff
can reorient himself and concentrate on stopping
the shots he MUST stop.
This is something that Arturs also must do.
On a good team he can't let in a shot from
outside the circle like the one that Carson
tied the last game with. BTW, in checking
up on Duchense (FF thru a Sharks-Stars game),
Duchense also beat Arturs with a nonscreened
slap shot from the blue line. (Don't think
Evason could do that). If Arturs ends up
in a shooting gallery again this year it
could be bad for his "goalie's mentality"
also. The Sharks have _GOT TO_ reduce the
number of shots on their goal.
I can't really say much about Waite but hopefully
coming from the Blackhawks he is mentally
prepared to stop the shots he must, and the
Sharks can cut down on the shots on their
goal to allow him to keep that mentality.
mark
>
>
>
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Jul 13 13:28 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 13:27:43 PDT
From: Chuq itsbaseballseason Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Hackett
> As I noted when the deal for Waite was first announced, it is
>precisely this attitude of Hackett's- being "irritated" that he wasn't
>recognized as the top goalie (which he ain't)- that made him expendable.
>Personally, I liked HAckett; he gave us some great moments. But his
>attitude didn't help his cause, and it didn't help the team.
On our vacation, while we were up in Canada, we did what we normally do:
scour the bookstores for stuff that's hard/impossible to find down here in
the states. Laurie found a book she's been tracking for a while: Ken
Dryden's THE GAME. A great book, somewhat like BALL FOUR for hockey.
But one thing he talks about stuck in my mind, especially about jeff
hackett. Dryden notes that there are "good team" goalies and "bad team"
goalies. A good team goalie really needs a decent defense in front of him or
things fall apart, and tends to orient his performance (and self image)
around wins. A bad team goalie is better at taking care of himself on the
ice and focuses on making the next stop.
I really think Hackett's problem is that he's a good team goalie. Winning is
important, and he started having his problems when the injuries mounted and
our defense fell apart. Hackett needs a group of players who can sweep
rebounds out of the crease, and he wasn't getting it. When the losses
started mounting up, his stress grew, and all of his head-case issues came
to the fore (I doubt ANYONE out there would say the defense of the Sharks
last year was as good as, or better, than the first year. We regressed,
badly, in many ways because of injuries).
Irbe, on the other hand, focusses on the next save, is very mobile and has
learned to not depend on anyone else keeping stuff out of the net.
So I'm happy for Jeff. He'll do a lot better with a mature defense in front
of him, but that doesn't mean that we should be upset when he has a sub 3
GAA next year, especially since he'll play 30 games or less behind Belfour.
He's in a better environment for his playing style and his mental attitude,
even if he's not #1 honcho. He'll never be that.
But I'm also happy for us, because I think Waite will really complement
Irbe, an the two of them can split the schedule and both turn in good
performances without a mature defense backing them up.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Jul 13 16:08 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 16:08:07 -0700
From: email@hidden (Stormwind)
email@hidden
Subject: Re: Hackett
mark writes:
>i earlier reported:
> considerations", and essentially closes the deal
> that was made for Jimmy Waite...Hackett and
> Wilkinson for Waite.
the Waite deal was closed this weekend,
Wilkinson for Waite.
again, i'm only reporting what clarinews
had posted. while clarinews has frequently
been VERY slow to post new information (i
usually find it out here first), i haven't
known it to be wrong yet.
From what
I understand of playing goalie it is more
mental than physical.
it's about half and half. if you don't
have the reflexes and the endurance
for getting hammered, you won't be able
to do it. on the other hand, if you
don't have the sense of timing combined
with the "sixth sense" that tells you
where the puck is going, and if you lose
it after every goal, you won't make it
either.
The sheer volume of shots just overwhelm you.
that's for sure. a goalie buddie of mine
has been repeatedly shelled with 42-47
shots per game (which tells you something
about his defense); my record to date
has been 33 shots in one game (my team got
rather worn out in the third period, which
was when the bulk of them hit). and yes,
when you're repeatedly going up and down and
up and down and getting stuck flat on your
stomach on the ice, it's really tough making
the saves on those third and fourth rebounds.
but as long as you take responsibility for
stopping those suckers REGARDLESS of what
your defense is/isn't doing, you can still
pull it off...with a little assistance from
Lady Luck.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Jul 13 16:33 PDT 1993
Date: 13 Jul 1993 16:36:37 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: Wilkinson-Waite-Hackett?
Subject: Time:4:25 PM
OFFICE MEMO Wilkinson-Waite-Hackett? Date:7/13/93
KCBS Radio is also reporting that the Hackett deal "concludes" the
Wilkinson-Waite deal.
It could just be the news media trying to make a connection between
back-to-back trades between the same teams. It's also possible that the long
negotiations (remember, the future considerations in the Waite deal were
supposed to be settled two weeks earlier!) were caused by Chicago feeling the
Wilkinson-Waite deal was biased against them. The Hackett trade could have
been a quid-pro-quo designed to make the Wilkinson-straight-up-for-Waite deal
more palatable to Chicago.
In any event, I'll miss Jeff. I hope he settles down and accepts being the #2
goalie behind Belfour, because he does have something to offer the Blackhawks.
If Chuq's right about Jeff being a good team goalie, he should do well in
Chicago.
Dave
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Jul 13 16:39 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Dave Hoffman / Product Engineer)
Subject: Re: McSorley
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 15:27:55 PDT
> >> I suppose it'd be childish to say, "Too bad Gretsky is such a
> >> pussie that he can't play w/out a goon to back him up." :-).
> >>
> >> Do I believe that? I don't know. I do think that you should
> >> be prepared to play a game the way it's supposed to be played,
> >> or not play at all. On the other hand, it's a brave man who
'the way it's supposed to be played'? Does that imply that the generally
high level of violence in the NHL is an integral part of how the
game is 'supposed' to be played? If so, I don't agree. Hockey is
certainly a contact sport but it doesn't have to be nearly as violent
as the NHL allows the it to be. I was a really avid hockey fan in
college but when I got out and started watching NHL games they weren't
as good partly because of the increased contact and decreased skating
compared to NCAA. It's only the Sharks being in my backyard that have
made me a fan again.
Now partly as a disclaimer (and so no one starts making disparaging remarks
about my genteel upbringing) let me add that I scream and yell and generally
enjoy a good fight just like the rest of the mob -uh I mean fans. But when
I go home and contemplate it all, it's not obvious to me that this adds
anything to the game.
Dave
209/?/?
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Jul 13 16:54 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 16:53:20 PDT
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Physical play
Dave Hoffman writes "Hockey is certainly a contact sport but it doesn't
have to be nearly as violent as the NHL allows the it to be. I was a
really avid hockey fan in college but when I got out and started watching
NHL games they weren't as good partly because of the increased contact
and decreased skating compared to NCAA."
I think those who play could make some observations here. My oldest son
plays at the midget level, which is full contact, and also plays with me
in a non-contact league. He would much rather play with the contact, and
I tend to agree. I spend a lot of time trying not to hit my opponent,
and I'm sure my play suffers for it. If I could just concentrate on going
into the corner after the puck and not worry about getting called for
checking the other guy into the boards I would be more aggressive. Of
course the other side of the coin is worrying about getting checked into
the boards by the other guy! My son agrees, that it is easier to
concentrate on the game when you don't have to be concerned about getting
penalised for mere contact.
Of course checking and fighting are seemingly different subjects, but it's
real easy to think retaliation when you're being introduced to the boards,
or the ice, on a regular basis!
---
Alan Hepburn "A man doesn't know what he knows
National Semiconductor until he knows what he doesn't know."
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden Thomas Carlyle
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Jul 13 19:16 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 17:15:19 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Hackett
> [Hackett]
> He's in a better environment for his playing style and his mental attitude,
> even if he's not #1 honcho. He'll never be that.
On KCBS, Hackett said he was excited about being on a probable playoff
team for the first time in his career. Earlier, though, he sounded
more resigned -- he said he could see the handwriting on the wall when
then left him unprotected and when they got Waite.
KCBS said the Sharks got "an early draft pick in 1994" for him, so the
Hawks deal sounds like, essentially, Hackett and Wilkinson for Waite and a
second, third, or fourth pick.
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| Internet: email@hidden |
| "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
| Sharks: Epicenter Section 117 for 1993-4 |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Jul 13 19:17 PDT 1993
Date: 13 Jul 1993 19:17:41 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: Seat assignment has arrived
Subject: Time:7:11 PM
OFFICE MEMO Seat assignment has arrived! Date:7/13/93
Well, if you're still at work this evening, you may have a long-awaited letter
waiting for you in your mailbox. I just got a call from the member of our
group whose address we are using, and our seat assignment notice arrived today!
Hope your seat assignments are as nice a surprise as ours: we were told to
expect row 9 or 10, but ended up with row 7!
Finally a complete signature again!
Dave Comstock
Section 120, Row 7, Seats 7-10
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Jul 13 20:11 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 20:10:29 PDT
From: email@hidden (Girard Ramsay)
Subject: Got seat assignment!
Section 120 Row 6 Seats 8-9. I asked for closest to ice, farthest
out to the side boards while still being inside the side boards (going
for being able to see down the side while not having the goal judge
blocking the goal). We'll see how closely they followed instructions
when I find out where seats 8-9 are!
Can't wait!
Girard Ramsay
email@hidden
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Jul 13 23:09 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 23:07:53 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Seat assignment has arrived
Yes, yes!
To the Section 107 -> 209 gang: will there be a mass order for the
two non-included games? If so, whoever is coordinating it, whatUs the
plan? I think it would be great to get all of us together for one or
both games - even those who will be sitting elsewhere for the season.
Ed Rush
Section 117, row 17, seats 11-12,
on the goal line
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 08:31 PDT 1993
From: Craig Cirimele
Subject: For the record
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 93 8:29:46 PDT
For Malinda and myself, our seats are Section 204, Row 13, 1-4 (nose bleed).
Craig
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 09:23 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 93 09:21:57 PDT
From: Chuq itsbaseballseason Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Wilkinson-Waite-Hackett?
>KCBS Radio is also reporting that the Hackett deal "concludes" the
>Wilkinson-Waite deal.
The published transaction wire says that it's a conditional pick that
concludes the Waite deal, so officially they seem to be linked.
The final trade, then, is Waite and a 1994 conditional (based on what Grillo
said last week, probably either a 3rd or 4th round depending on Hackett's
performance) for Wilkinson and Hackett.
My analysis: given that Waite would have been taken in the expansion draft
(making him one of the top six goalies available in the draft), Chicago wins
by getting SOME value for him instead of nothing. Hackett will (hopefully
for him) blossom as backup to Belfour with a real defense in front of him,
play 25-30 games and do pretty well. Wilkinson will (hopefully) settle in
and show himself to be a good third-line defensement for the Hawks.
The Sharks win because they get a goalie that complements Irbe (Irbe flops.
Waite tends to be more of a standup goalie, if I remember properly, which
means we can tune our goalie style to the team we're playing). We basically
gave up two pieces of the puzzle we really didn't want that badly (Hackett's
horrible season and Wilkinson's sub-par season and continuing injuries).
They both get a chance to start fresh in new environments, and we get rid of
two players that had to be considered risky investments at this time, and
get a top goalie (top 3 or better of the non-starters, and top 15 overall in
the NHL, IMHO) and a minor prospect draft pick for it.
It's somewhat risky for both sides. Pity the Hawks if Belfour goes down for
any length of time with an injury. If Jeff can't rebound on the new team and
continues to suck, or if Wilkinson gets injured early or simply doesn't play
to potential, there's going to be a lot of second guessing in the Chicago
media (despite the fact that Waite was gone, traded or no).
For the Sharks, there's not a lot of risk. My biggest worry is the potential
"goalie wars", if someone decides to start a Montana-Young style fight over
who's top dog in the papers. There'll be some second guessing going on if
either of the players we gave up have a strong year, but you really can't
discount the 'fresh-start' aspects as a factor, so I'm not worried about
that too much.
I'm happy. I think we end up with a better team, without giving up anything
we'll really miss, especially with the new talent coming on board on the
defensive line this year.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 09:28 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 93 09:23:35 PDT
From: TaylorKA
email@hidden
Subject: Re[2]: Seat assignment has arrived
YES YES YES...There will be a mass order for the 2 games not included.
I plan to coordinate it and will be giving people notice next week.
I still need to contact the sharks...I am trying to work a special deal
for us...
kara
#10
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 09:28 PDT 1993
From: "Jeffrey T. Johnson"
Subject: Re: Seat assignment has arrived
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 93 9:27:11 PDT
Like last year, I'll be maintaining a Cow Palace, er Epicenter Seating
Chart. Those of you who have posted your seat assignment to the list
need not respond, but those of you who have seat assignments and want
to be added to the seating chart should send your assignment to me.
As for Ed's suggestion about seating together for the two non-included
pre-season games, count me in!
/jeff 203/8/9-10
--
Jeff Johnson | Cisco Systems, Inc | voice: (415) 688-7789
Software Engineer | 1525 O'Brien Drive | fax: (415) 688-4575
Router Management | Menlo Park, CA 94025 | email: email@hidden
The difference between ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 10:46 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Rick Ryder)
Subject: My Seats
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 10:51:28 -0700 (PDT)
I'm joining the rowdies this year at SEC 209 Row 16 Seats 7,8.
So . . . I look at the map they sent along with the assignment -
and there isn't a row 16 (it stops at 15). And then I look at
the full color blowup of the arena - and it also stops at 15. What gives?
I call the Sharks - "what gives?"
Turns out the map is changing on a daily basis over the last week - they
now have a "final" map with "tentative" totals on the rows & seats/row.
Row 16 is actually (at least today) the second to last row in 209. There
are "tentatively" 21 seats in the row.
So, I'm definitely in nose-bleed territory - but hey, at least my ears won't
get blown out by a large group of rowdies above me :) I'll just be lending
my voice to our communal choir . . .
HEY! What a great idea! We oughta have a SEC 209 college style fight song!
Anyone with lyrical talent out there? Comments, suggestions, ideas please!
---------------------------EpiCenter 209/16:7,8----------------------------
| Rick Ryder email@hidden |
| Metaphor Computer Systems Phone: (415) 966-0447 |
| 1965 Charleston Rd. FAX: (415) 966-8639 |
| Mountain View, CA 94043-1293 Epicentre: 209 somewhere!|
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 10:47 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 10:44 PST
From: "Don Garka, email@hidden, 415-422-1843, L-262"
Subject: hackett
Quite often we here about conditional draft choices in that are involved
in trades. But what are the conditions? Why do they keep that secret? If
salaries are published it seems like conditions could be divulged as well.
Any ideas?
It was good to see that somebody in the cheap seats received their seat
selections... That means the pony express may be getting mine sent out
to Tracy some time this month.
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Don Garka LLNL email@hidden
PO Box 808 mail Stop L-262 510-422-1843
Livermore, CA. 94550 FAX 510-423-8193
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 10:50 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 93 10:45:38 PDT
From: TaylorKA
Subject: 209ers Seating for 2 games
I am waiting to hear from the Sharks people on how to work the group
seating for the 2 games not included in our packages.
Hopefully, I will hear today. It will probably work like the Section
stuff did...everyone send me your checks made out to the Sharks and I
will pay and pick up tickets in mass then mail them out. I will know
more later today.
As far as Booster Club stuff goes...I have a meeting on July 24th for
information and will be able to tell people more at that time. We will
begin a mailing list around the 1st of August.
kara
#10
Sect 209 somewhere (I forgot my mail...)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 11:26 PDT 1993
Date: 14 Jul 93 09:52:00 PST
From: "MOSHE PREIL (22117)"
Subject: CONTACT
> >> I suppose it'd be childish to say, "Too bad Gretsky is such a
> >> pussie that he can't play w/out a goon to back him up." :-).
> >>
> >> Do I believe that? I don't know. I do think that you should
> >> be prepared to play a game the way it's supposed to be played,
> >> or not play at all. On the other hand, it's a brave man who
> 'the way it's supposed to be played'? Does that imply that the generally
> high level of violence in the NHL is an integral part of how the
> game is 'supposed' to be played? If so, I don't agree. Hockey is
> certainly a contact sport but it doesn't have to be nearly as violent
> as the NHL allows the it to be.
It's interesting how much mail this type of comment generates.
I have to agree with Dave; there is a big difference between contact as
part of the game, and contact as in fighting. Alan Hepburn reminds us
once again how much he and his sons play hockey, but other than that, I'm
not sure what his point is. Yes, contact is part of the game, but "retaliating"
because you are tired of being checked should not be. It's just like pitchers
in baseball who throw at hitters because they are upset that the hitter
"showed them up" by homering too often, or football players who hit someone
after the play is ended because they're pissed off that they got pushed
around during the play. It just isn't a legal part of the game, and it
shouldn't be tolerated. I like seeing a good, legal board rattling check as
much as the next person, but when the checkee decides to retaliate
illegally, that's not part of the game. (No, Alan, I don't like getting
checked into the boards, which is why I am not being paid to play the game,
or paying a rec league to play. As Dirty Harry said, "A man has got to
know his limitations").
So let's look at Greztky-McSorely: Gretzky knows he's as good as
anyone out there, and as a result he will attract his fair share of legal
hits. No problem. But in the NHL today, he also knows he will attract
more than his fair share of cheap, illegal hits. Problem. The solution
is not for him to fight everyone who nails him; that's not his strength.
The solution is to have Marty do that for him. Checks and balances, in
constitutional terms. If McSorely fights everyone who even touches the
Great One, he's out of line; if no one defends Gretzky from illegal hits,
the Kings are stupid. The trick is to find the right balance. I don't
think it makes Gretzky a pussy, any more than assigning the enforcer role
to another Shark makes Falloon and Kisio pussies. Each player has his own
(should we say his or her own now??) strength; you use each player in
the appropriate situation. I give Gretzky a lot of credit for recognizing
how important McSorely is to him, and for telling the Kings brass not
to break up a working combination.
Moshe's opinion for the day, brought to you (unsolicited) by the
good folks at Shark-bytes. See youse at the Epicenter....
209/?/?
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 11:38 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 93 11:37:26 PDT
From: Chuq itsbaseballseason Von Rospach
Subject: Re: CONTACT
>The solution is to have Marty do that for him.
And don't forget that, right now, McSorley's job is to protect Gretzky. So
he goes out and does it.
If he were to move to another team where his job was to play physical but
NOT fight, he'd go and do that, too. His protector attributes with the Kings
tend to overshadow the fact that Marty is a helluva player who happens to
put team needs and his role over individual performances, which in my eyes
makes him both under-rated and a good grab if yo can get him. He wouldn't
need to prove himself as an intimidator on the Sharks, and he could add an
offensive punch as well if that's what we want him to do.
>if no one defends Gretzky from illegal hits,
>the Kings are stupid.
And Gretzky is in the pressbox in a cast.
> The trick is to find the right balance. I don't
>think it makes Gretzky a pussy, any more than assigning the enforcer role
>to another Shark makes Falloon and Kisio pussies.
You don't want your marquee players (a) taking penalties, especially major
ones, and (b) getting injured, so you have someone keep an eye out for them.
This is especially true of a Gretzky type that isn't overly physical (or a
Falloon type). Someone like Mario can to a better degree take care of
himself because of his size/bulk, and a Lindros would get pissed if he was
babysat. But then, look at what happened to the Flyers when Lindros got
hurt, and you'll see WHY teams have role players to go get hurt for their
marquee players...
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 11:55 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 93 11:54:01 PDT
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Re: CONTACT
Moshe writes "...Alan Hepburn reminds us once again how much he
and his sons play hockey, but other than that, I'm not sure what
his point is..."
First of all; if I'm boring you with my love for the game, then
ignore me. Secondly, my point was that so long as you have human
beings playing the game, then violence will be a part of the game.
Whether or not you choose to acknowledge it, our species is violent.
If somebody repeatedly slaps you in the face, there comes a time when
you get tired of it and slap back. And in the world of hockey it's
no different. Generally speaking, a player, whether amateur or pro,
does not mind a good, hard, clean hit. They are given, and taken,
regularly. However, when you're constantly being hit late, or hit
from behind, or pulled down on a breakaway, and the officials are
busy looking at the scoreboard, then it stands to reason that tempers
will flare.
He continues "...Yes, contact is part of the game, but "retaliating"
because you are tired of being checked should not be. ..."
That is why there are rules put into the rule book allowing the
referee to penalise players who retaliate, as well as penalising
the players who instigate the retaliation. If the referees were to
honestly, and fairly, call a game then retaliation would decrease.
When a Wayne Gretzky can haul down a Kelly Kisio with no whistle while
a Link Gaetz skates within 3 feet of a Mario Lemieux and gets 2 minutes
for roughing, then players feel frustrated and blood pressures soar.
The officials' union is in the midst of negotiating a new CBA and they
are asking for a huge raise. After their performance last season, the
last thing they deserve is a raise. Let them prove they deserve more
money by calling the game in such a fashion as to eliminate
retaliatory plays. When the players see that all cheap shots get
penalised, then cheap stots will fade away, and we'll start to see
some great games.
---
Alan Hepburn "A man doesn't know what he knows
National Semiconductor until he knows what he doesn't know."
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden Thomas Carlyle
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 12:32 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 93 12:28:45 PDT
From: TaylorKA
Subject: Re: My Seats
Rick,
I have added you to the seating chart. I don't have any song ideas.
kara
#10
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 12:43 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden
Subject: hackett (fwd)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 93 12:42:40 PDT
Forwarded message:
> From: "Don Garka, email@hidden, 415-422-1843, L-262"
> Subject: hackett
> Quite often we here about conditional draft choices in that are involved
> in trades. But what are the conditions? Why do they keep that secret? If
> salaries are published it seems like conditions could be divulged as well.
> Any ideas?
Actually, in this case, the condition was made public. The Sharks would get
a second round pick if Hackett plays 40 games, or a third if he does not.
Essentially, it feels somewhat like that Hackett is dealt for Jeff Norton.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 13:06 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Mark Spiegel)
Subject: Re: hackett
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 93 12:53:57 PDT
>
> Quite often we here about conditional draft choices in that are involved
> in trades. But what are the conditions? Why do they keep that secret? If
> salaries are published it seems like conditions could be divulged as well.
> Any ideas?
>
According to this mornings paper if Hackett plays in 40 or more
games we get a higher draft pick as compensation (2nd round if
I remember corrrectly ), if Hackett plays in less than 40 games
we get a draft pick from the next round (3rd).
If Belfour gets injured and Hackett has to step in and play most
of the season then his value is higher than if he doesn't.
Since the Sharks and Blackhawks probably couldn't agree on his
precise current value they're letting his performance during
the next seaason decide Hackett's value.
mark
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 13:08 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 93 12:53:15 PDT
From: TaylorKA
Subject: SECTION 209 CREW SEATING/2 PRESEASON GAMES
OK, I finally talked to the Sharks. Here's the deal.
I have reserved Section 107 for the Cow Palace game on Sept. 25 vs.
Buffalo. The price is $8 per seat.
I have reserved a Lavender section ($14 seats) for the game on Oct. 2
vs Chicago at the New Arena. The price is $9 per seat.
Both these are the group pricing. I need at least 25 seats sold to get
that.***I NEED AT LEAST 15 PEOPLE TO PAY EARLY FOR DEPOSIT PURPOSES.***
If you want to go to one or both games, you need to get me a check
(made out to the Sharks) NO LATER THAN JULY 23. I need some people to
pay early because I need to put down a 10% deposit to hold the section.
Please include: Name, Address, Phone (days), # of seats and what
game you want.
PE Nelson
10040 Bubb Rd.
Cupertino, CA 95014
ATTN: Kara Taylor
Thanx
Kara
#10
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 13:29 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 93 13:18:05 -0700
From: Kevin Ball
Subject: Re: My Seats
>From email@hidden Wed Jul 14 13:04 PDT 1993
(1.36.108.4/15.5+IOS 3.20+cup+OMrelay) id AA15851; Wed, 14 Jul 93 13:04:51 -0700
(15.11/15.5+IOS 3.20+cup+OMrelay) id AA11963; Wed, 14 Jul 93 13:04:00 pdt
>From: email@hidden (Rick Ryder)
Subject: My Seats
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 10:51:28 -0700 (PDT)
Status: R
email@hidden (Rick Ryder) writes:
> I'm joining the rowdies this year at SEC 209 Row 16 Seats 7,8.
>
> So . . . I look at the map they sent along with the assignment -
> and there isn't a row 16 (it stops at 15). And then I look at
> the full color blowup of the arena - and it also stops at 15. What gives?
>
> I call the Sharks - "what gives?"
>
> Turns out the map is changing on a daily basis over the last week - they
> now have a "final" map with "tentative" totals on the rows & seats/row.
> Row 16 is actually (at least today) the second to last row in 209. There
> are "tentatively" 21 seats in the row.
Now that we have some idea where the cheap seats end, does anybody know
where they begin? What row is the first of the cheap ($14) seats?
Enquiring minds in nosebleed country want to know.
Epicenter of Fine Ex-Cows: Sec 209, Row 16, Seats 1 & 2
---
Kevin Ball email@hidden
These opinions are mine! What does my company know about Hockey anyway?
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 13:31 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Rick Ryder)
Subject: My Seats (Followup)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 13:32:46 -0700 (PDT)
Forwarded message:
>
> I'm joining the rowdies this year at SEC 209 Row 16 Seats 7,8.
>
> So . . . I look at the map they sent along with the assignment -
> and there isn't a row 16 (it stops at 15). And then I look at
> the full color blowup of the arena - and it also stops at 15. What gives?
>
So, I'm having this chat with Ed Rush and he points out to me that I missed
the count: there are two rows for the $38 seats in the upper rim, and then
the rest of the seats in the diagram. Whoops! (With face turning red and
sheepish grin :))
> I call the Sharks - "what gives?"
>
> Turns out the map is changing on a daily basis over the last week - they
> now have a "final" map with "tentative" totals on the rows & seats/row.
> Row 16 is actually (at least today) the second to last row in 209. There
> are "tentatively" 21 seats in the row.
Comments on the Wilkinson/Hackett deal:
I have to agree with the seeming concensus here: Hackett and Wilkinson get
a new shot at making a name for themselves, whereas the Sharks make room
for what should be better players in the long run anyway. I think that Chicago
will end up making better use of Hackett though (i.e. the deal should've
really been packaged as a Hackett/Wilkinson deal - goalie for goalie with
Wilkinson and the draft pick thrown in to balance things out). This, overall,
was a win-win for the Sharks and Blackhawks.
I like the idea of a Irbe/Waite tandem much better than a Irbe/Hackett tandem.
The only concern I have over this is the lack of opportunity for Flaherty at
the NHL level, but I don't think this is really a problem. With the way goalies
fall by the wayside due to various issues (injury, exhaustion, rehab, family
leave, etc.), that'll give Flaherty just the right amount of NHL action and
maybe for short periods throughout the season (although I hope we don't run
into any serious injury problems with our goalies this year). Waite is NHL
material and should stay there.
What with all of the changes occuring on the roster, I can't help but be
thrilled about this season!
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| Rick Ryder email@hidden |
| Metaphor Computer Systems Phone: (415) 966-0447 |
| 1965 Charleston Rd. FAX: (415) 966-8639 |
| Mountain View, CA 94043-1293 Epicentre: 209/16:7,8 |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 14:32 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 93 14:31:26 PDT
From: email@hidden (David Brillinger)
All this talk about Gretzky. Let's face it, the guys a goon. Didn't
you see him slash Gilmour for eight stiches in the sixth game of the
Leafs series?
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 14:41 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 93 14:40:22 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: preseason schedule
Has anyone heard scuttlebutt about a season-tickets-only open house
in August? (The Sharks folks said in May that they were thinking of
such a thing, but it wasn't certain.)
Also, has anyone heard about where the training-camp sessions will be,
and when and if they will be open to us gawkers?
An Eastern friend of mine commented:
> I would think the Sharks would hold some kind of do during training camp,
> if not in August, so folks can check it out.
So far, it's not clear that training will be in the Epicenter. They haven't
said. The Sharks' preseason schedule is:
Thursday, 23rd Sept.: Buffalo @ Sacramento
Saturday, 25th Sept.: Buffalo @ SF Cow Palace _
Tuesday, 28th Sept.: LA Kings @ Denver |
Wednesday, 29th Sept.: LA Kings @ LA | busy three days!
Thursday, 30th Sept.: NY Islanders @ SJ Epicenter_|
Saturday, 2nd Oct.: Chicago @ SJ Epicenter
Does this look like the same kind of absurd bunching that last
year's regular-season schedule showed?
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| Ed Rush, not speaking for Metaphor, Mtn. View, CA |
| Internet: email@hidden |
| "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
| Epicenter 117/17/11-12 |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 15:04 PDT 1993
Date: 14 Jul 1993 15:07:24 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: Re: preseason schedule
Reply to: RE>preseason schedule
Ed Rush asks:
>Has anyone heard scuttlebutt about a season-tickets-only open house in
>August?
Nope, no news. The public open house will be September 17-19, however.
>Also, has anyone heard about where the training-camp sessions will be,
>and when and if they will be open to us gawkers?
>
>So far, it's not clear that training will be in the Epicenter. They haven't
>said.
Actually, the Sharks have said all along that this season's training camp would
be held in the Cow Palace. For one thing, I believe the circus will be at the
EpiCenter the week of September 13th. I wouldn't be surprised if the last few
training sessions will be held at the EpiCenter, but, in the past, the last
week or so of training camp has not been open to the public.
My suspicion is that training camp will be similar to last year's (and the year
before's): six (or was it seven?) days a week, with drills starting in the
early morning, continuing off-and-on through the mid-afternoon, and followed by
a scrimmage at around 5PM. No sessions open to the public on game days. These
are just assumptions based on the last two years; I haven't heard anything
officially.
>[exhibition schedule]
>
>Does this look like the same kind of absurd bunching that last year's
>regular-season schedule showed?
It does seem like a pretty compressed exhibition schedule, judging by the last
two seasons. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember the exhibition schedule
running from mid-September (the 14th or the 16th) through the end of September
in previous years. This year's exhibition schedule seems almost a week shorter
than I remember...
Dave Comstock
Section 120, Row 7, Seats 7-10
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 15:36 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 93 15:35:37 -0700
From: email@hidden (Kevin McCallum)
Subject: Re: SECTION 209 CREW SEATING/2 PRESEASON GAMES
Kara -
Hello there. I was wondering whether one needed
to be part of the regular Sect. 209/107 group, to
be able to get in on the purchase of these tickets
to the 2 extra games?? Not only do I desperately
want to attend both of these games, but I'd really
like the chance to meet some of the people here on
the list.
If this is at all possible, please let me know and
my check will be in the mail this afternoon.
Thanks for your time.
=Kev.
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Kevin McCallum Innovative Interfaces
email@hidden Berkeley, CA 94710
"Moe is their leader!" (H.Simpson) Tech Support Services
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 15:53 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Patrick MacRoberts)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 15:52:26 -0700
"CONTACT" (Jul 14, 9:52am)
Subject: Re: CONTACT
% I have to agree with Dave; there is a big difference between contact
% as part of the game, and contact as in fighting. Alan Hepburn reminds
% us once again how much he and his sons play hockey, but other than
% that, I'm not sure what his point is.
Alan's point is that removing the "contact" from hockey is like removing
the "tackling" from football. In many ways it's similar to the
original, but it's not nearly as satisfying to play.
% Yes, contact is part of the game, but "retaliating" because you are
% tired of being checked should not be. It's just like pitchers in
% baseball who throw at hitters because they are upset that the hitter
% "showed them up" by homering too often, or football players who hit
% someone after the play is ended because they're pissed off that they
% got pushed around during the play. It just isn't a legal part of the
% game, and it shouldn't be tolerated.
In hockey it's called roughing and it'll get you '2' in the "sin-bin."
% (No, Alan, I don't like getting checked into the boards, which is why
% I am not being paid to play the game, or paying a rec league to play.
% As Dirty Harry said, "A man has got to know his limitations").
I *like* getting hit. A good, clean hit is a thing of beauty, whether
you're on the giving or receiving side. When the ref misses a hit
from behind, crosscheck to the face, spear, or butt-end the offender
probably ends up earning a pop-to-the-chops. I find that to be
entirely acceptable. There was a time that I didn't understand it,
but I'm crankier now... ;-)
% So let's look at Greztky-McSorely: Gretzky knows he's as good as
% anyone out there, and as a result he will attract his fair share of legal
% hits. No problem. But in the NHL today, he also knows he will attract
% more than his fair share of cheap, illegal hits. Problem.
Not a problem. In any league today, he'll attract his share of cheap
shots. It's not limited to the NHL. It's the price of being "good".
If you're good, you attract attention, some good and some bad. Great
players feed off of the attention and it makes them even better.
Others run from it, and remain merely "good".
-Patrick "I played 2 games on Sunday. I have 2 next Sunday..."
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 15:54 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 93 15:51:17 PDT
From: TaylorKA
Subject: Re[2]: SECTION 209 CREW SEATING/2 PRESEASON GAMES
Kevin,
Anyone who wants to can do the preseason ticket deal. You are welcome
to join for those games.
I do have a question for everyone...is the Oct. 2nd game included
with the season ticket holders only? I think I will be arranging
tickets for the 20 game, shark pack and individuals only. Does anyone
know?
kara
#10
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 15:59 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 93 15:51:17 PDT
From: TaylorKA
Subject: Re[2]: My Seats
I am finding out...I would like to know regarding my seats as well.
Will advise when I have an answer...it changes daily i guess.
kara
#10
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 16:21 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 93 16:20:10 PDT
From: TaylorKA
Subject: rows for seating
I talked to the Sharks people and they said that for Section 209, the
first row of the section is ROW 15. Then 16, 17, 18, 19 and maybe 20.
So, if you are in row 15, you are in the 1st row of the $14 seats.
kara
#10
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 16:26 PDT 1993
Subject: Seat assignments
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 93 16:25:01 PDT
From: Mark N. Davis
Sharksters,
Well, its nice to see that everyone is thrilled about their new seats.
Unfortunately, my experience has been anything but good to date:
1) I am one of the few, the proud, the original depositors who maintained
full season tickets throughout the Sharks history. This was suppossed
to get me top priority for seat selection, right?
- Our friends at the sales office somehow managed to 'forget' that I was
an original depositor, so my status fell a notch to just 2 season full
plan holder.
- I bitched and moaned to my hearts content, and their answer was:
"prove it", at which point I began digging for 1990 checking records.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find my old check register, so I didn't know
which check number to request a copy of from BofA via Security Pacific
(this merger has also been a painful experience for me). I narrowed down
the time frame to two possible months, and they went to work getting me
copies of those monthly statements - but it would take 10 working days.
- Again I called the Sharks saying I couldn't prove it in time, and that
they should have the records. Their excuse was that they do have the
physical records, BUT -- they are buried deep in a wharehouse amongst
thousands of files, and they don't have time to go looking for me.
- Finally, I manage to unearth an old receipt from the first season, showing
that the amount I owed for tickets had a $100 dollar credit from my deposit.
2) I now go down on my later-than-should-be selection date, with proof in hand.
They accept the proof, and are willing to work with me...sounds good.
- Since several thousand people have already picked, they don't want to bump
anyone else, to accomadate for jobbing me. So they offer a compromise:
Since they don't know my exact priority number (its buried in the files),
they claim they'll put me in the middle of pack of the first picksters. I'm
not completely satisfied with this, since I mailed my check on day #3 way
back when they began taking deposits.
- They won't give me section 215, which I badly wanted. Instead they offer
the best they can get out of section 216. That translates to first shot
at any cancellations due to bad checks, etc. But they tell me it will be
difficult since I have 4 seats --- WELL EXCUSE ME FOR BUYING TOO MUCH OF
YOUR PRODUCT!!!
3) Finally my seat assignment shows up....I nervously open the envelope and
am delighted to see that I made the 5th row of sec 216. But wait a minute,
something doesn't look right.....there's only 2 seats assigned to me!
- After I peel myself off the ceiling, I pounce on the phone. With temples
pulsing I dial the Sharks office. After being bounced around I finally
get a sales rep. I explain the story slowly and calmly (well, at least
the calmest I could muster).
- I am now told that according to the computer I did originally have 4 seats,
the 2 I have now and a pair right next to them. BUT -- somehow, someone
managed to revoke those 2 seats. WHY?
- The rep says she doesn't know. On top of that, her phones are ringing
non-stop, and she doesn't have time to look right now. I can buy that,
I realize I'm not the only one who received bad news in the mail that day.
She promises to let me know by Wednesday morning.
4) It's now 4:17 PM Wednesday. No message...............
So I ask you, my captive audience, am I the only one getting yanked around
by the Sharks? Everyone else seems quite pleased by their results, but yet
nothing seems to be going right for me. What did I do to deserve this? I
dutifully paid for all my tickets on time. I showed up at the games and
screamed my throat hoarse. I even drank healthy portions of their overpriced
beer. How did I corrupt my hockey karma? Was it the time I butt ended that
pesky forward that wouldn't stay out of the crease?
Lost in the mist,
Mark
Sec 216/row 5/8-9 (maybe)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 16:42 PDT 1993
From: Craig Cirimele
Subject: Re: preseason schedule
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 93 16:41:55 PDT
>
>
> Has anyone heard scuttlebutt about a season-tickets-only open house
> in August? (The Sharks folks said in May that they were thinking of
> such a thing, but it wasn't certain.)
The only thing I heard was that there would be an open house for those who
paid using the American Express card. But I heard that from a friend, and
not from a Sharks person nor did I read that anywhere.
There is also supposed to be a public open house in September.
> Also, has anyone heard about where the training-camp sessions will be,
> and when and if they will be open to us gawkers?
I did read a few months back that they were going to hold training-camp
at the Cow Palace again this season.
Craig
204/13/1-4
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 17:01 PDT 1993
Date: 14 Jul 1993 17:00:08 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: Re: preseason schedule
Reply to: RE>>preseason schedule
Craig Cirimele sez:
>The only thing I heard was that there would be an open house for those
>who paid using the American Express card.
The Sharks and American Express have done this the last two seasons also. I've
talked to several people who've gone, and there have been talks, autograph
sessions, etc. The session last year was extremely popular: many (most?) of
the people never got close enough to any of the players to get an autograph,
and the Sharks ended up taking down names and addresses of the people left in
line and mailing out a single autograph to each of them.
Disclaimer: I've never charged my season tickets to my American Express card,
so this is all hearsay.
Dave Comstock
Section 120, Row 7, Seats 7-10
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Jul 14 18:08 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Rick Ryder)
Subject: Re: My Seats
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 18:14:18 -0700 (PDT)
>
> >
> >
> > So, I'm definitely in nose-bleed territory - but hey, at least my ears won't
> > get blown out by a large group of rowdies above me :)